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Post by Outdoor Union on Apr 5, 2016 17:50:41 GMT -8
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Post by Lonewolf on Apr 5, 2016 18:10:46 GMT -8
The driver claims he was moving the bear away from calving but if true, then why was he running it in circles?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 2:55:47 GMT -8
It would have been fine with me if those two guys had gotten out of the truck. The bear might have cured them of that poor excuse for a life they are living.
If you take your eyes off the bear and scan the horizon in the video, it's clear that the truck makes a complete circle by about halfway through the video and then continues turning. In that complete circle, there is nothing that even faintly resembles a cow or calf.
Additionally, the mocking, derisive tone used by the occupants of that truck, in my opinion, is unworthy of ever holding a hunting license. And when they are waking up as long tenants in a small jail cell, perhaps they can eat breakfast to a similar derisive voice mocking them with, "Ooooh, big f'ing jailbird, getting tired . . . ."
But I suppose that would be cruel, wouldn't it? So, as I indicated, too bad they didn't simply step out of the truck and get cured of what ails them.
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Post by reuben on Apr 6, 2016 3:17:41 GMT -8
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Post by Coolkat on Apr 6, 2016 6:08:47 GMT -8
I'm not a hunter so I am not up on what happens to poachers but what I noticed was that a $6250 fine might worth risking if game tags for these big horn sheep are really that rare. Maybe I'm wrong but it appears to me that the penalties need to be much higher. Especially since at auction one of the tags brought $160,000. So to risk a $6000 fine seems like a no brainer to me if your ethics allow poaching. Please don't think I'm condoning the action of these two criminals. I am not. I'm just saying without more knowledge of the system it appears that the penalties are way to low.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Apr 6, 2016 6:22:47 GMT -8
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Post by mk on Apr 6, 2016 6:24:47 GMT -8
Sometimes I just don't understand people.
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Post by reuben on Apr 6, 2016 6:28:40 GMT -8
Sometimes I just don't understand people. They're the worst.
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Post by Outdoor Union on Apr 6, 2016 7:21:43 GMT -8
In most cases as would be expected they would not only loose the animal poached but also fined or even jail. Some cases they loose the weapon they shot it with. In certain cases when a poached animal is in transport they run the risk of losing the vehicle being used to transport. Which is the case with the grizzly. They should have their truck taken away. Or at least they should let the grizzly chase them and see if they can get away.
If you go back 100 years, most if not all animals were "poached" some almost to the brink of extinction. Not that it makes this situation any better, at least today we understand and realize the importance of conservation. Just another example of a couple bad apples that ruin it for the majority.
This is one thing I do not understand. They obviously shot these two rams because of the "trophy" mentality. How would you ever feel good about yourself knowing the facts. On top of that, a taxidermist by law needs your license/tag to even do a mount or any type of taxidermy on what you bring them. Anyway that opens a whole different debate.
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Post by crawford on Apr 6, 2016 8:40:47 GMT -8
I'm an avid hunter. Much of what my family eats is what I hunt. In the past I would say a majority of what we ate was what I hunted or caught fishing. Only one of my children hunts. Ethics have been central to everything I've taught him about hunting. I cannot imagine this, I do not understand people like this.
The day I do not feel a little of that "hunter's remorse" after a successful hunt is the very day I should hang up my longbow and guns.
Those who might poach because of hunger, I will turn a blind eye to (yes I know that is morally ambiguous). Those who poach for sport should be fined in accordance with the scoring of the animal and cost of tag. When that fine reaches 6 figures and they can't pay, then they should owe society by an excessive amount of community service in the wild lands (habitat improvement, removing litter, etc). I have little sympathy for those types but don't want them in jail--they need to work off their debt.
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Post by reuben on Apr 6, 2016 9:02:30 GMT -8
I have little sympathy for those types but don't want them in jail--they need to work off their debt. They could clean up Malheur.
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Post by hikingtiger on Apr 6, 2016 10:00:42 GMT -8
They should have their truck taken away. Or at least they should let the grizzly chase them and see if they can get away. I'd love to see the grizzly driving their truck in circles chasing them.
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Post by Lonewolf on Apr 6, 2016 14:20:12 GMT -8
Poachers typically also lose any (legal) hunting privileges for some number of years. Sometimes for life. A second offense can often be a few decades in prison.
Some years ago I had a contractor who went to AK for a Bighorn. He came back with an almost full curl ram and had the head at the job site. Everyone else was raving about how nice it was until they asked me. I told them it would have looked a lot nicer on a live animal in the wilderness.
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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 6, 2016 15:24:41 GMT -8
I have to come clean and admit I've hazed grizzlies in both a pickup and Polaris Ranger. I did not however cut any of them and keep them running for "fun" as Lone Wolfe pointed out. On two occasions I stopped pretty quickly and got out and beaned 'em with rocks, the other occasion the grizz took off for far parts after just a couple of seconds. Those guys could have popped a few rounds over the bears head and I bet it would have headed off fast and furious. I agree these guys should pay a price of sorts. Sure looked faster than 10MPH to me.
I heard the Grizzly meeting here in Jackson got pretty heated last night. As much as I don't ever fear for our 21st century wolves I saw a lot fewer grizzlies and a lot less sign last year, and I'm wondering if the crash that was forecast for so many years is simply taking quite a bit longer to manifest itself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 16:44:34 GMT -8
Spooking predators off is accepted practice in quite a few circumstances. That often includes from livestock, pets, people, campsites, or buildings. National parks tend to limit that practice by requiring the people themselves to depart the area and thus create the safe distance from wildlife.
But what the two guys in the pickup truck did shows no useful purpose. By all appearances, they are simply harassing the bear for cheap amusement. There is nothing apparent in the video for those guys to be running the bear away from. There are no livestock, pets, people, campsites, or buildings and so on shown anywhere in the video.
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