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Post by 92hatchattack on Mar 6, 2016 8:31:19 GMT -8
Hi all. I decided to pick up the new Marmot Sawtooth bag for my son while at REI yesterday. But once we got it home and started messing around with it we've noticed a lot of down flying everywhere. Is this normal? We cleaned it all off and stuffed it in its stuff sack. When we took it back out there were feathers all over it like this. If you mess around with it you can actually see the down pulling straight through the fabric. Is this how things should be, or is this bound for a return?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 8:47:32 GMT -8
From your description the bag is leaking its loft. I'd take it back.
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Post by markskor on Mar 6, 2016 10:42:03 GMT -8
Down bags - sigh.
Always expect some down shedding - more initially...hard to tell from the pics if yours is temporary, excessive, or just due to shoddy construction. As you already have the bag (receipt too?) and REI accepts returns for up to one year, I say go with it for this year.
The Sawtooth is an OK sleeping bag - (not great) - a good intro down bag...650 duck fill - a little heavy, but sports the EN rating you are looking for...a good-enough bag. Suggest giving it a good field test for this year; see if the EN rating is accurate, is the size right for him, nylon shell adequate, feathers still flying? Does the bag fit his needs, and most importantly, will more serious backpacking be ahead in his future.
Then, after you are very familiar with the Sawtooth... borrow/rent/finagle a great bag - (something WM, FF, etc) and see what you've been missing. Surprise!
Personally, I always thought that no sleeping bag was worth $500+... Thought my Cat's Meow was more than adequate too. One night in my Badger was all it took. Then, next Xmas, you go back to REI...
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Post by tigger on Mar 6, 2016 10:43:09 GMT -8
There will be occasional feathers that will come out. You can pull them back in. There is a balance between the fragility/lightness/density of the fabric. It looks normal to me.
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Post by franco on Mar 6, 2016 12:41:44 GMT -8
Yes, just pull them back in .
On average I think I lose 3 "feathers" every night from my WM bags but I do pull them in when I spot them coming out so I would lose more if I did not.
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Post by johnnyray on Mar 6, 2016 13:35:47 GMT -8
Same, I have 2 Marmot bags and feathers do poke through the interior fabric, I pull them back in when I see them.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 6, 2016 15:13:45 GMT -8
Can you tell the source? It its seams that'd be very different than quills just poking through the fabric.
If you've a loose seam bleeding down take it back: there's a manufacturing flaw.
As mentioned a bit of down escaping is normal n
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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 6, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -8
Looks like you have feathers poking out rather than down since down doesn't have quills like that. Check the mix of down VS feathers.
Simply pinch from the opposite side and pull them back in.
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2016 7:16:47 GMT -8
you have feathers poking out rather than down ^^ This! Your bag is 650 fill, duck feathers. Not bad, but goose down is the Gold Standard, and down is not the same as feathers. Feathers have a rachis (quill; the hard central spine) and down plumules are not nearly the same. So feathers will poke through, down plumules, not so much. In other words, this is normal. A good starter bag. |
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Post by 92hatchattack on Mar 7, 2016 15:00:07 GMT -8
Thanks all! Yeah, i didn't know there was a difference between down and feathers. Like I said, this bag is for my son for Boy Scouts. I have a 850 fill UGQ Flight Jacket and I've seen almost nothing come out of that over the last 2 years so I was a bit concerned.
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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 7, 2016 19:30:25 GMT -8
Total aside... How many of you remember the old joke about "How do you get down from an elephant? You don't. You get down from a duck!" An amusing thing about that is the first time I heard it I'd just gotten back from 2 years in India (Dad got sent over) in a jungle area and there were trained work elephants that we kids sometimes got to ride. So when I was asked the question upon return, I explained exactly how to get down from an elephant.... completely confused the person asking.  |
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Post by johnnyray on Mar 7, 2016 19:39:58 GMT -8
"How do you get down from an elephant? You don't. You get down from a duck!" "101 Elephant Jokes" |
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