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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 17, 2024 8:34:39 GMT -8
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Post by downriver on Apr 17, 2024 9:22:15 GMT -8
“ It’s just not viable. We don’t have suitable habitat.”
They have plenty of suitable habitat. Unfortunately, they have little tolerance for grizzly bears. It doesn’t surprise me F&G killed the bear. Hopefully there will be a few more bears in that area not causing problems for ranchers and just being wild…
Thx for posting.
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DR
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Post by Travis on Apr 17, 2024 10:18:23 GMT -8
The native range of grizzlies extends eastward from Yellowstone to beyond the Missouri River, where Lewis and Clark first documented their presence. The subadult male grizzly killed in the Bighorns area was likely a recent disperser from the Greater Yellowstone Area (GYA.) With that recent arrival in mind, I'm not convinced that relocating the bear would not have succeeded. It was worth a try. However, with the human population crowding the GYA, there may be few places to successfully relocate one more grizzly. So it is not surprising that U.S. Fish and Wildlife approved killing the bear in the Bighorns. At least the bear was not intentionally run down with a snowmobile, run over, tied up, its muzzle duct-taped shut, and then taken to the nearest bar to be teased and tortured while dying from internal injuries. That is how a subadult wolf was treated earlier this year in a small town west of Pinedale, Wyoming. See eye-witness account. While Wyoming Game and Fish and hunters' groups have vociferously criticized the treatment of the wolf, it remains to be seen if Wyoming can muster the courage to change its laws to punish the behavior and encourage some measure of respect for the wildlife the state has insisted it should manage. Meanwhile news media from all over the country, from Europe, and from across the globe have inundated Sublette County, Wyoming for information on what will be done about the abuse. See Wyofile News. And death threats pour in toward the culprit, the county, and toward Wyoming residents with similar names. The question in my mind and the minds of many wildlife professionals is: Wyoming's structure of wolf "management" allows (with impunity) wolves to be run down with snowmobiles in some 85% of the state. How does that qualify the state to manage grizzlies, wolves, or any other threatened species? |
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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 17, 2024 11:06:46 GMT -8
Excellent Post Travis.
Wolves of the Rockies is requesting time stamped videos and photos of what happened in Daniel with the wolf. Disgusting behavior on every level. $5000 reward. info@wolvesoftherockies.org.
There's just over 1,115,000 acres in the Bighorn National Forest. As big as that is its tiny compared to the colossal public lands of Greater Yellowstone. I am no biologiest but knowing how far grizzlies can roam I just don't know how a population of adequate genetic diversity could ever establish itself in the Bighorns given genetic diversity is a concern in the monumentally larger Greater Yellowstone. Could they establish corridors to migrate to and from Greater Yellowstone? All that private land in between and an ever more crowded world makes me doubtful. when it comes to wolves and bears I've been wrong on certain concerns and would love to be on this one.
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Post by Travis on Apr 17, 2024 13:21:06 GMT -8
I agree that it's probably not feasible to expect a grizzly population in the Bighorns. Cloud Peak Wilderness is small compared to the wilderness areas of Greater Yellowstone, and campers in their RVs tend to crowd the wilderness in warmer months.
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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 26, 2024 13:56:40 GMT -8
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Post by reuben on Apr 27, 2024 3:20:11 GMT -8
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Post by Travis on Apr 27, 2024 8:06:00 GMT -8
The wolf incident happened almost two months ago. It was reported to Wyoming Game and Fish on the next day. Despite claims of further investigation, I doubt things will change. Keep in mind that the Wyoming state logo is of a cowboy tormenting a horse. He's not a horse trainer. He's a rodeo cowboy performing for the crowds. Skilled horse trainers really don't need to ride that way. It's all part of the tough-cowboy myth perpetuated in Western movies and so on. If it's okay to torment a horse for entertainment, who is going to shed a tear for a wolf pup?  |
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Post by downriver on Apr 27, 2024 9:44:20 GMT -8
Thx for posting. Interesting F&G has not released the report or name of the despicable offender. I’d be interested to know what Travis thinks about F&G in Wyoming. At least someone reported this crime to F&G. DR |
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Post by Travis on Apr 27, 2024 13:36:14 GMT -8
I’d be interested to know what Travis thinks about F&G in Wyoming. I don't think Wyoming Game and Fish is inclined to stick their necks out and try to enforce cruelty laws in a way that is novel to Wyomingites. With both grizzly and wolf incidents, it appears game and fish simply followed protocol without risking public disapproval. If you read the articles, the name of the culprit who pulled off the wolf incident is repeated several times even to the extent of detailing the road he lives on and what he does for a living. |
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Post by downriver on Apr 27, 2024 14:09:37 GMT -8
“He’s been going around town telling people it was worth it,” the eyewitness said. “$250? That’s a round for the bar.”
Looks like the suspect is showing a lot of remorse. I bet he won't continue with his despicable behavior in the future. Right…
DR
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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 27, 2024 15:09:13 GMT -8
The guy is getting into his mid 40s. Culture really can be cancerous.
Sadly like all of us Wyoming G&F has to deal with lots of cancer in today's political climate. I worry more than ever about that cancer here going even farther off the proverbial reservation than this piece of foul feculence did. I'm not surprised by G&F towing the line they are. Wearing a uniform makes someone more and more of a target of diseased dip!@#$s. Government will always be a problem for the misinformed. We might be declining as fast as any empire ever has.
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Post by Travis on Apr 27, 2024 23:34:58 GMT -8
“He’s been going around town telling people it was worth it,” the eyewitness said. “$250? That’s a round for the bar.” Looks like the suspect is showing a lot of remorse. I bet he won't continue with his despicable behavior in the future. Right… DR Yeah, there's something about recent times that filthy scoundrels don't know when to shut up.
But game and fish doesn't make the laws. That is the legislature's job. So without a cruelty law to enforce, game and fish can't do anything about the guy's stupid talk.
No one in these forums has been more critical of Wyoming's predator zone than I. But the solution is not some vigilante making up an excuse to silence the knucklehead.
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Post by reuben on Apr 30, 2024 14:39:33 GMT -8
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Post by Travis on Apr 30, 2024 15:58:52 GMT -8
There are enough click-bait intelligence tests on the web that it is not necessary to walk up and kick an animal to see who is smarter.
The bison is ten times in size, can run faster and probably jump higher. Also the bison has four sharp hooves and two sharp horns. And it knows how to use them.
So who is smarter? The guy or the bison? Hint: “The dude will not abide.”
Here is an interesting excerpt from the link:
It would be interesting to tabulate different animals' body language in their tails. A wolf's tail is up when it's playful, down when attacking, tucked in-between legs when retreating. A mountain lion may swish its tail back and forth before attacking. There are many more examples.
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