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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 4, 2016 20:02:00 GMT -8
So the other shoe from last year's is dropping. "Appalachian Trail Thru-Hikers Will Soon Need to Register in Maine" "Under the park's new registration system, thru-hikers will be required to get a permit card before they enter the park. Details of where and when hikers can get those permits are still being worked out, but according to Bissell, hikers should be able to register at park headquarters, at Togue Pond, or with a park trail steward at Abol Bridge (check the park's Facebook page or website for updates on the registration process). Eventually, depending on growth and whether or not thru-hikers adhere to the park’s rules, officials may even start capping the number of thru-hikers who enter the park on a given day." Sounds similar to what Yosemite has implemented for John Muir Trail thruhikers. "whether or not thru-hikers adhere to the park’s rules" Yep, shoe drop. ETA: I just noticed I hadn't provided the link! I'll try and find it. www.outsideonline.com/2060111/appalachian-trail-hikers-will-soon-need-register-baxter-state-park
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 4:25:05 GMT -8
Is this a real problem or just government being a pain... Sounds to me like it is a real problem. Baxter State Park, in which Mount Katahdin is located, is actually controlled by a restrictive covenant on the land, as I recall. So even though it is a state park, its rules are determined largely by stipulations in the covenant of those individuals who bequeathed the land to become a wilderness preserve. The rules are not really government in action but rather private-trust law in action — restricting what the board of directors can and cannot do in administering the covenanted land. I think what HSF refers to as "the other shoe falling" are the repercussions from people like runner Scott Jurek and many before him defying the rules regarding group size and public consumption of alcohol atop Katahdin. Being the northern end of the Appalachian Trail, Katahdin has become a place for celebration for thru-hikers. And even though thru-hikers account for only 3% of those who visit Baxter State Park, they have a disproportionate impact upon Katahdin itself. Backpacker Magazine had a short article on this a few months ago titled, " Could the Appalachian Trail Lose Katahdin?" And we had a thread about Hikers Behaving Badly back in late August and early September. The article linked in the opening post was Hikers behaving badly: Appalachian Trail partying raises ire. A few excerpts from the article:
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Post by tipiwalter on Mar 5, 2016 8:35:15 GMT -8
Car addiction seems to dictate most of the Baxter usage problems and so I'd first do everything in my power to limit rolling vehicle usage in the Park i.e. close the roads, and THEN see how people on foot shakes out.
It must be remembered that Baxter allows RV's up to 40 feet long in its car campgrounds, allows snowmobiles in the winter, allows motorboats in some surrounding lakes, and even allows a few lakes airplane access. But by God they get to pick on the backpackers and the hikers w/o thinking once about limiting rolling access.
It's the usual Car Hysteria so prevalent in our backcountry and in our parks and national parks. The Smokies howl about having the worst air pollution in the country and yet they keep the Cades Cove Motor Loop open bumper to bumper and 441 open year round. Easy rolling access has ruined the backcountry. Baxter needs to completely rewrite their "Stipulations in the Covenant" and change their Mandate to reflect America's love of the automobile. Afterwhich then I'd say we can study the thruhiker pressure on Katahdin. Just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 11:13:37 GMT -8
TipiWalter wrote:Is there a road to the top of Mt Katahdin? All I see are foot trails on the map. TipiWalter wrote:None of those vehicles reach the top of Katahdin, where the incident involving Scott Jurek took place. TipiWalter wrote:Scott Jurek did not backpack the AT to the top of Katahdin. He ran and speed walked it, slept in a van with his wife at night, and relied entirely on those rolling vehicles you speak of to fuel him and take care of him all the way to Katahdin — where he was met by a crowd of people who had arrived in rolling vehicles to make the final ascent of Katahdin with him. Whatever their merits and demerits, I don't see "picking on" Scott Jurek and his crowd as tantamount to picking on backpackers and hikers in general. It is enforcing laws against public consumption and impact on a natural area by people who sleep in vans and dump alcoholic beverages on the rocks of Katahdin. TipiWalter wrote:By definition, it is not "backcountry" if it is accessible by "cars." And Katahdin is not accessible by cars, is it? TipiWalter wrote:You mean the kind of easy rolling access that fed Scot Jurek and gave him and his crowd places to sleep at night? TipiWalter wrote:"Baxter" is dead. He can't rewrite anything. The land he bequeathed for enjoyment of the Maine citizenry is controlled by laws of property rights and a Deed of Trust, which cannot legally be changed. The people of Maine can accept or reject it. But neither they nor the Baxter State Park Authority can change it.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 5, 2016 11:51:58 GMT -8
The various Deeds of Trust that guide the park authority are available to read: www.baxterstateparkauthority.com/about/purpose.htmBanning all future construction of roads or ways for vehicles is page two. The issue the park authority is faced with involves, much like Yosemite, a thruhikers focus of use on a single, narrow and limited, corridor. And as they note the standard method they use to manage user capacity in Baxter is by severely limiting vehicle parking. And simply turning people away once the parking is full. Thruhikers entering in foot at that one entrance don't offer management for resource impact that way and the corridors specified campsites have a limited capacity. "Car addiction" is entirely unrelated to the AT corridor overuse within Baxter, just like that has nothing to do with the volume and user issues of the section of the John Muir Trail within Yosemite.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 5, 2016 12:07:18 GMT -8
HSF, How many thru-hikers does the park get? Is it that busy? I remember reading a small percentage of thru-hikers actually make it to Katahdin. Is this a real problem or just government being a pain... Thx. RS That's provided in the link I forgot to include (now corrected above) "There are times when the long-distance hiker facility— the Birches—is full and hikers have to find space in the campground,” Bissell says. But that happens infrequently. The bigger issue, he says, is that the park never planned for AT thru-hikers, let alone the popularity of Katahdin during peak tourist season, from July through October 15. “When I started working with the park 18 years ago, there were a few hundred thru-hikers who came over the course of the summer,” Bissell says. “Now those numbers are surpassing 2,000. We now have to begin to consider what we think would be consistent, equitable, and fair management for thru-hikers and other user groups.”"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 12:15:10 GMT -8
The AT could be copying the PCT ( PCTA), in response to all the 'spooners' who made the attempt several years ago, after watching the movie Wild. The move to limit the number of people starting the PCT per day worked to reduce the bolus. I think that there is not an AZDPCTKO this year is another way that is being looked at to reduce bunching on the trail. The last figures I got was 1700 people starting the PCT this year.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 5, 2016 12:18:18 GMT -8
Is my suspicion "spooner" is not an expression of affection for their sleeping position of choice correct?
Lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 12:40:35 GMT -8
Is my suspicion "spooner" is not an expression of affection for their sleeping position of choice correct? Lol 'Spooner' is the term used to refer to the PCT hikers who are attempting to recreate the heavy backpack load from 'Wild." The term was coined and used by the more serious PCT hikers.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 5, 2016 13:37:59 GMT -8
Ah, Witherspoon.
Thought it had to do with gear.
Recreating a legacy gear hike could be a fun experiment. Certainly as valid as the various games thruhikers play. HYOH and such.
A "Vintage hike" copyright pending.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 13:47:38 GMT -8
A vintage hike, The Funk Brothers, from 1975. Another vintage hike: Some of the packs in the video have wooden frames.
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Post by tipiwalter on Mar 5, 2016 14:05:36 GMT -8
Thanks for the link as I was an active hiker in 1975 and so this journal looks to be interesting so I'll try and copy some of it with my printer for the next trip in the woods.
1975---When boots were boots and packs were packs and the Tent Police could care less where you went, where you slept, or which permit you had. Just the opposite of the Baxter tent police.
And Travis N Wood---My basic point all along is that it's difficult to love a place to death without rolling tourists driving as close as possible to trailheads and significant national or state park features. Overcrowding is often seriously related to adjacent car access to trailheads. Close these roads (the Yellowstone comes to mind) and then worry about on-foot overcrowding. It's a comically easy solution:
Put parking lots at West Yellowstone, Gardiner, Silver Gate, East Entrance and South Entrance. Voila! All interior travel must happen on foot and NO SNOWMOBILES.
The current policy of mutli-use access bites.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 14:56:30 GMT -8
TipiWalter wrote:Without quantifying that, it means nothing. Do you drive to the trailhead? Or do you live in a big city and walk all the way, carrying all your gear, from home to the trailhead? Yes or no.
I can name you dozens of places in the Bighorn Mountains and Wind River Range of Wyoming accessible only by days of packing upslope for many miles — and yet they are heavily impacted by backpackers.
TipiWalter wrote: Often but not always. And what does "adjacent" mean? How many miles, elevation gain, and days travel does it take to no longer be "adjacent." I can assure you that Wyoming mountain ranges are more remote and higher than Katahdin, and yet many are still overcrowded, by wilderness standards.
No one is free to make roads as distant from Katahdin as they are from impacted locations in Wyoming mountain ranges. A Board of Directors of a state park operating under a covenant of restrictions has no legal prerogative to close state or federal highways on its perimeter.
It would not matter how much I would agree with you. There is no legal provision to override the government-owned highways.
TipiWalter wrote:There is nothing comically easy about that unless you first conquer the combined military of the US, usurp the Constitution, declare yourself dictator and find an army to park bulldozers across the roads.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 5, 2016 16:31:27 GMT -8
The comically part is accurate anyway.
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Post by swimswithtrout on Mar 5, 2016 16:31:35 GMT -8
There is nothing comically easy about that unless you first conquer the combined military of the US, usurp the Constitution, declare yourself dictator and find an army to park bulldozers across the roads. There's a certain Republican Candidate that comes to mind who thinks he can do whatever he wants........ If he can force Mexico to build a "Wall" no telling what he might do to Yellowstone.
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