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Post by cweston on Aug 14, 2023 7:12:15 GMT -8
I'm looking to level up our car camping "sleep system," in an effort to entice my spouse to car camp with me more often.
We have a large, standing-height tent (REI Wonderland 4) and a full-size air mattress. Currently we just use BPing sleeping bags/quilt, but spouse hates sleeping in a mummy bag, so I think having a car-camping-specific sleep system would be a big improvement for her.
Please feel free to comment on experiences/thoughts with the following options:
--Double sleeping bag (I see some are fancy reversible with warmer and lighter sides. I suppose this feature could be duplicated by simply buying two different weight rectangular bags of the same brand.)
--Double size quilt
--Cots (not very romantic, but if this is the most comfortable sleeping option...)
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Post by ErnieW on Aug 14, 2023 7:29:46 GMT -8
I use a wool topper on the air mattress. As we know from our camp mats that R factor underneath is important and this topper adds a lot of breathable warmth. Air beds don't have baffles so if you don't do this they are cold for me. We use a sheet set and pillows from home then top it with a nice comforter unless it is very cold. Sleeping bags are last defense. Very bulky set up but very comfy. First I have a van so I can fit stuff like this but I also bring when we family camp: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07218B4DQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1and www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T48QNXS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1I set this up near the main tent and my partner and twin girls definitely appreciate a close by civilized toilet especially in the middle of the night. Also you can use the tent for showering if you got the water.
P.S. If you use these in the toilet it doesn't smell at all.
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Post by cweston on Aug 14, 2023 8:54:40 GMT -8
Yeah, the wool topper sounds nice. I've been using a Walmart 40-degree sleeping bag, unzipped, between the ground and the air bed.
I like the idea of regular sheets, and maybe a thick down comforter or double quilt. Most of our car camping is/would be at elevation, so nights can be fairly cold.
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Post by jazzmom on Aug 14, 2023 13:06:24 GMT -8
The most cozy and comfortable sleeping bag from my youth and early car camping days was an LLBean cotton flannel lined rectangular "camp" bag. The size of a small child when rolled up. I remember one from North Face too, but I don't think flannel on the inside. I think most of them zip together as long as you get two of the same kind.
This is just me but an air mattress, topper, sheets and a comforter would be too many parts for camping. I would get one of the high R-value basecamp mats (usually in the 6-9 range) that has real side-walls so that it's like a mattress. I have an Exped one that I truly love. People do rave about the Megamat Duo. Add two rectangular bags that have a nice lining fabric that can be zipped together or used separately.
Btw, I've never found cots to be more comfortable for sleeping. They're even colder than a conventional air mattress, so you'll need an insulating pad as well. Even in summer, I've always found them to be way too hard (firm) without a pad. What cots are good for, imo, is that it gets you off the floor. Much easier to get in/out and keeps your bedding cleaner and dryer. You also have a nice place to store your stuff underneath and a place to sit. Just wanted to point this out if your goal is for "better sleep".
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 14, 2023 13:26:10 GMT -8
Those LL Bean sleeping bags must be what most childhoods have in common. They were great for car camping in a fairly limited temperature range.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 14, 2023 13:26:15 GMT -8
Something like a bottom sheet is nice—if not a flannel-lined bag, then a flannel bottom sheet. I have a fitted sheet for my car-camping Nemo pad, and in warm weather I use a top sheet, with or without my quilt. In colder conditions, I still use the bottom sheet but skip the top one so I can use the quilt in snugged-up mode. I carry different pads and tent for the car vs. Backpacking, but use the same quilts. On a long trip in varying conditions, as we when I went to the GC in April, I take both my 10-deg and 20-deg quilts, and the sheet, which allows for various configurations to be comfy from nights in the 60s on down. Way down, since I can layer up the two quilts.
ETA: comfy for 60s on down because any warmer than 70 and there’s no such thing as comfy.
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Post by cweston on Aug 14, 2023 14:59:32 GMT -8
Next time we camp, I think I'll try using a fitted sheet over the pad and have her use my 20-deg down quilt. If she likes the quilt, we can buy one to her specs: that would cover BPing and car camping for her.
It seems like a couple sleeping on the same pad w/ 2 BPing quilts could snuggle up in warmer temps, and each hunkers down in their own quilt if it gets cold later in the night.
The Megamat Duo looks fantastic. It kills me to think about spending that much on a car camping pad, but as I mentioned in a different thread, even the most indulgent tent camping set-up is a bargain if it means not buying an RV.
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Post by gcvrsa on Aug 21, 2023 14:48:29 GMT -8
I'm looking to level up our car camping "sleep system," in an effort to entice my spouse to car camp with me more often. We have a large, standing-height tent (REI Wonderland 4) and a full-size air mattress. Currently we just use BPing sleeping bags/quilt, but spouse hates sleeping in a mummy bag, so I think having a car-camping-specific sleep system would be a big improvement for her.
Please feel free to comment on experiences/thoughts with the following options: --Double sleeping bag (I see some are fancy reversible with warmer and lighter sides. I suppose this feature could be duplicated by simply buying two different weight rectangular bags of the same brand.) --Double size quilt --Cots (not very romantic, but if this is the most comfortable sleeping option...)
Let me just say first of all that I have never seen a double cot, and I can't imagine that it would be comfortable, since a cot is really just a sling on legs. My feeling is you probably want to be looking at a Queen size mattress and quilt setup. The older I get, the less I feel like sleeping bags are a good design, since the insulation on the bottom really does nothing once it's compressed under your body weight, so why invest in it? Since this will be for car camping, you don't really need to worry about weight, so you can go for less expensive gear, and save your money for the real backpacking gear that needs to be light and small. And while my ex and I did somehow manage to sleep together on a Full size mattress in our 20s, that wasn't by choice, but out of poverty. As soon as we could afford to, we got a Queen size bed.
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Post by gcvrsa on Aug 21, 2023 14:55:54 GMT -8
Rather than a wool topper, I use regular wool blankets. I've been lucky to find three vintage Queen size Winter weight wool blankets at charity shops for $15 each in excellent to like new condition, and having 4 layers of wool underneath you provides not just cushioning and insulation, but water vapor absorption, too. One is a Faribo, another is a Kenwood, and the third I can't remember, though it's not quite as nice as the other two.
My bed at home is actually a Therm-a-Rest BaseCamp self-inflating sleeping pad on top of a Therm-a-Rest Z-Rest, directly on a wooden floor, with two doubled-over wool blankets on top, and a doubled-over cotton duvet cover on top of that (so, four layers of wool and four layers of cotton). That's what I've been sleeping on for the past 6.5 years. The first BaseCamp delaminated, but it was within the 2-year warranty period, so Therm-a-Rest replaced it. The replacement is now going on 4.5 years of continuous nightly use.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Sept 7, 2023 16:22:05 GMT -8
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Post by BigLoad on Sept 7, 2023 17:05:59 GMT -8
I'm bringing mine to Pickle Gulch. It's quite comfortable and it inflates and deflates in just a couple minutes with the 12V blower.
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Post by jazzmom on Sept 9, 2023 6:33:00 GMT -8
I'm bringing mine to Pickle Gulch. It's quite comfortable and it inflates and deflates in just a couple minutes with the 12V blower. I'm used to you walking into the campsite with your backpack as if you'd hiked there. Not sure I'm going to recognize you with a big air mattress that needs a 12V blower. A 12V coffee grinder, on the other hand...
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Post by FarOutFarley on Sept 10, 2023 10:24:06 GMT -8
This sleep system has unbeatable comfort: (1) Two cots. The Helinox Cot One Convertible gives you the option for a height of 6" or 15". The price for two is exorbitant, so Plan B is the much cheaper Camptime Roll-a-Cot wide. It’s a bit heavier and bulkier than the Helinox, but still lighter and more compact than many, and just as comfortable as the Helinox cots.
(2) Two Exped mattresses. I have the Synmat 3D-7. Not sure what they call that now because they change the names of their products a lot. In any case, it’s warm and incredibly comfortable.
(3) Rectangular down sleeping bag.
Your wife will be so comfortable in this bed, she will be asleep before she realizes you’re not spooning:
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Post by dayhiker on Sept 10, 2023 19:37:34 GMT -8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaUqLqw_aAIThis guy does a few videos, I was (am?) tempted to get an ALPHA Breeze, because of his reviews, love windows and porch, but it would take a long time to setup (solo), and wind might be a problem. He has also gone on to another shelter, but still uses the Alpha. Plus a tarp (I use one too with Double Rainbow) - Porch might not work as he says in windy rain, but it could allow you to keep the window part way open, of course a Tarp would do that and more. Amazing he gets all this stuff in a small car. Former BP, until he had a kid he says on one of the videos. FeatherFriend makes a double sleeping bag, or you can buy the condor and get a bottom to make it have all the down on top, but still sealed except for head etc. featheredfriends.com/collections/two-person-sleeping-bags--- Edit2
I don't see a two person bag anymore, I imagine you could zip 2 condors together?
here it is: featheredfriends.com/collections/sleeping-bags/products/spoonbill-ul-2-person-sleeping-bag better to click on sleeping bags and scroll through them all then use their options! Condors might be warmer. ---If you want something higher off the ground? I imagine he has done that too. ---- EDIT:
If you don't need to snuggle, featheredfriends.com/collections/sleeping-bags/products/feathered-friends-winter-wren-down-sleeping-bag
Great for freeing your arms, use sleeves or coat. Not that warm though, should be called summer wren. The idea was for it to be wearable (zip up arm holes while sleeping- but I use coat or sleeves), and I think that could work while sitting, easier to take off for going to restroom? Double sleeping bag might be better? Down pants/coat for sitting around-easy on/off, could sleep in them too?
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Post by leadbelly on Sept 11, 2023 12:11:38 GMT -8
quilt is a good solution for a car camper who doesn't like mummy bags, and separate quilts on the same large mattress avoids any finger-pointing about stealing the quilt on a cool night. My spouse rolls around until a quilt is basically a cocoon around her while i'm freezing.
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