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Post by daveb on Feb 29, 2016 6:19:31 GMT -8
I'm trying to find a boot with good ankle support but with a roomy, wide foot bed. I've only worn keens for the last few years but now that I've got a pack on I was wondering if there was something else with more support. Keens fit great with the exception of a good heel and ankle support like I found on the Salomons.
I just tried the salomon quest 4d II and the Lowa Renegade GTX in wide and both are two narrow in the toe box. The salomon boots fit like a glove otherwise but just to narrow.
I put a keen targhee II on and it fits like a glove but the mid high ankle support is really no support at all.
Any suggestions on a keen like width boot but with ankle support for a hiker hauling around 40lbs?
Thanks!
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Post by trinity on Feb 29, 2016 12:20:55 GMT -8
40# seems like a lot of weight, but are you sure you really need new boots? Most of us (I think) backpack in lightweight hikers or trail runners. I use either Merrell Moabs (in a EE) or Altra Lone Peaks, both fit my wide feet quite well. I have heard that Trekstas do pretty well for people with wide toeboxes. Personally, if you have a boot that fits you well, I'd stick with it, I think Targhees should be just fine.
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Post by daveb on Feb 29, 2016 12:50:42 GMT -8
I'm basically looking for options and you just supplied me with three brands I've never tried.
I'm very comfortable in my keens but it's the ankle support that I'm interested in and possibly a better fitting boot otherwise you'd probably see me in my running shoes on the trail.
I just discovered that I'm a size 14 which seems to be the magic number for not having what you want.
Thanks for taking the time Trinity.
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Post by tigger on Feb 29, 2016 13:51:27 GMT -8
Ankle support is an illusion. Solid foot support equals ankle support. I've worn mountaineering boots with "true" ankle support and I had to completely re-learn how to walk. Having ankle flex is great and helps you to walk more naturally. Try firmer insoles with a better fit to your foot and I suspect you'll feel more stable.
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Post by reuben on Feb 29, 2016 14:07:05 GMT -8
In most cases you can achieve better ankle support by strengthening the muscles and ligaments. That and some balance exercises can work wonders.
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Post by daveb on Feb 29, 2016 14:38:13 GMT -8
I really need to spend the time around a camp fire with you guys. ...the things I could learn!
Yeah, maybe the boot marketing is fogging my thinking.
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Post by reuben on Feb 29, 2016 15:05:28 GMT -8
Calf raises, bodyweight only One legged squats, bodyweight only or small dumbbells Forward lunges, bodyweight or small dumbbells or lightweight barbell Side lunges, bodyweight or small dumbbells
Side-to-side exercises are great for stability, since if you sprain an ankle it's almost always due to a sudden side-to-side movement (stepped on a rock, etc.), not forward or back. No guarantees, but they help.
Balance - bosu, slackline, or anything like it. There are some other exercises that require no equipment at all, and I do them, but have no idea what they're called. They're typically done with bodyweight or a kettlebell. The first few times you may need some support.
Here's a video of one of the no-name exercises. You can do this with the weight on the same side as the stationary leg, or on the opposite side (opposite hand, cross over to the stationary foot). It's more of a balance and a control thing than a strength thing, but it teaches your body how to stay in line.
If you can't do it with a kettlebell or dumbbell, that's normal. Start with bodyweight, and use a support (bar, post) if you need to. Gradually work your way up. I should know - I've never had good balance, so I'm pretty much always at the beginner to intermediate stages of exercises like that. Never advanced.
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Post by zeke on Feb 29, 2016 15:18:11 GMT -8
There are several Yoga poses that also help with balance. As we age, balance is important to work on. Try a Tree pose with one foot on the opposite calf. Never on the knee.
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Post by reuben on Feb 29, 2016 15:51:15 GMT -8
Yeah, yoga can definitely help. I'm not real familiar with Pilates, but what little I know is quite favorable.
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Post by Lonewolf on Feb 29, 2016 16:16:16 GMT -8
I have an 11EEEE foot and get some inexpensive boots from Bootbay that fit well and last a reasonable amount of time.
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Post by amaruq on Mar 1, 2016 13:38:24 GMT -8
All the ankle support you need is already built into your lower legs. Humans are hearty creatures; follow the suggestions above and you'll be out in nothing more than lightweight hiking shoes in no time.
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Post by daveb on Mar 1, 2016 13:53:26 GMT -8
I'm 49 and still play basketball from time to time. I've twisted my ankles before but not to the point of hurting to bad to walk on them but I have had them turn black and blue from the sprain. I've not skipped leg day in a while either and I'm currently doing squats, press and dead lifts. I tried Reuben's kettle bell single dead lift today at the gym and yeah, I got balance issues. I had the strength but I've not used the balancing muscles before. I've got some added exercises to do now. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I ran across this a minute ago. sectionhiker.com/hiking-boot-lacing-techniques/
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Post by reuben on Mar 1, 2016 14:43:54 GMT -8
First, ditch the weight until you can do it properly, or just use something real light like 5kg.
Second, grab a stationary pole or stick of some sort with your off hand if you need to. After a while you'll get used to it, and can drop the pole/stick, then slowly add weight. For me it's not about the weight anyway, it's about the balance. Again, yoga can probably help, and yoga doesn't use weights.
The fancy word that seems to be in vogue these days is "proprioception". You can google it for more info, but don't get obsessed with it. A lack of great balance doesn't mean that your ankles/feet/lower legs aren't strong or can't do what you need for hiking.
Any equipment you might want will be very simple - a bosu, one of those little balance thingies that are like miniature bosus, etc., but they're in the future.
A guy at the gym I used to go to could stand on a balance ball (55cm or so) and slam a smaller (10lb?) ball from side to side. I'll never be able to do that, but then, I don't need to.
Everything in moderation, as needed.
Maybe someone at your gym can help. That's better than a doofus like me on the internet.
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