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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 12:06:53 GMT -8
Hello Everyone! My name's Callum and I'm an Industrial Design student living in Dublin. I'm currently working to re-design the interaction between backpackers and their camping stoves. I've put together a VERY quick (8 question, 2 minute) survey in the link below, to get an idea about the most and least useful features of current camping stoves. I'm primarily focusing on the ignition and storage of light wood-burning stoves, and any feedback through the survey or on this thread would be greatly appreciated! www.surveymonkey.com/r/D58SFCGMany Thanks!
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Feb 27, 2016 18:04:06 GMT -8
Never used a wood burning stove as they are illegal throughout the majority of the area I tend to backpack through.
The central issue for those that do use them I bet is weight.
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Post by rebeccad on Feb 27, 2016 21:22:10 GMT -8
I took the survey, though like HSF I've never used a wood-burning stove. They are not appropriate where campfires are banned, which is pretty much everywhere I backpack.
A stove that was very light and compact but could burn either alcohol or wood might have some appeal, especially for distance hikers who would appreciate the ability to stretch their fuel when a fire is legal.
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Post by zeke on Feb 28, 2016 4:32:37 GMT -8
This stove has received very good reviews, and packs down flat. Various models weigh 3-7 ounces. Playing with fire is fun, but not something I want to be doing at suppertime.
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Post by amaruq on Mar 4, 2016 10:19:06 GMT -8
Many of the best places have little to no wood.
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Post by Coolkat on Mar 4, 2016 11:40:26 GMT -8
Close to 20 years ago before I had ever stepped foot on a trail to backpack I bought a Zip stove. Thought the idea was cool because I wouldn't have to carry fuel. However, never once have I ever used it on the trail. Not sure I want my hot meal in the evening to depend on finding DRY wood. I suppose you could collect and dry bits & pieces but for me that would negate the whole purpose.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 4, 2016 13:30:27 GMT -8
Re wood fires, though more relevant to campground ones: "Forest Pests Forest pests result when non-native insects and diseases are introduced into an ecosystem and lead to environmental or economic damage. So, what does this mean to Yosemite's visitors? People bringing firewood with them can introduce pests accidentally to the park. Park officials, therefore, ask visitors not to transport outside firewood inside the park because pests often survive inside wood where they can’t be seen. (Scroll down to see where visitors are permitted to gather wood in the park.) Currently, 16 pests concern park foresters." www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/forest-pests.htmand "California California Summary: California prohibits bringing firewood into the state if the firewood originated in any area under quarantine for, or an area generally infested with, pests including emerald ash borer, gypsy moth, imported fire ant, chestnut bark disease, pine shoot beetle and others. These prohibitions - when put together - end up banning untreated firewood from nearly every state in the union. Sixteen states in the Central and Eastern US prohibit bringing hardwood firewood originating from California into their state, to prevent the movement of thousand cankers disease. The California Firewood Task Force, US Forest Service Region 5, Yosemite National Park, and Sequoia Kings Canyon National Park all advise using only local firewood within California, and suggest not moving firewood over 50 miles at the very most, to reduce the spead of pests found in limited areas of California such as the goldspotted oak borer and polyphagous shot hole borer. It is illegal to remove many types of hardwood and softwood (coniferous) firewood from any county in California that is quarantined for Sudden Oak Death (Phytophthora ramorum). Some California State Parks prohibit oak firewood entirely. In areas under quarantine for red imported fire ant (this includes multiple counties in Southern California) it is illegal to move firewood that has been stored in direct contact with the ground without prior authorization. This summary is accurate to the best of DMF staff abilities as of 7 January 2015." www.dontmovefirewood.org/the-problem/state-state-information/california.html
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Mar 8, 2016 5:45:30 GMT -8
I had trouble with some of your questions. For fuel type, I use alcohol. You have a choice for "liquid fuel" and a choice for "alcohol-gel". So where does liquid alcohol go? Does "alcohol-gel" mean only a gel, or does it mean either liquid alcohol or a gel? I also had trouble rank-ordering your Q7. Unpacking and later packing the stove it just goes in the pot, there's nothing to "do." I don't actually cook on the stove, only boil water. I don't clean the stove because it's never dirty. I rarely extinguish the flame but rather put in just enough fuel to boil water and then the flame goes out on its own. I'm primarily focusing on the ignition and storage of light wood-burning stoves Then why not more questions about this? Seems you would want to know how often people go in areas where wood is allowed and is feasible, the particulars of how wood-burners ignite their fuel, whether we would want a wood-burning only stove or prefer multi-fuel, perceptions specifically of wood-burning (benefits and downsides), and so on.
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Post by crawford on Mar 8, 2016 6:10:18 GMT -8
I agree with JRinGeorgia. #7 didn't make any sense to me.
If you are looking at light wood burning stoves, that actually work, you need to be looking at wood-gas stoves (sometimes called rocket stoves). There are a number of these on the market and there are lots of plans on line to make them. These maximize the heat that can be gained from twig fires.
Perhaps your questionnaire should adjust based upon the answer to the question on what type of fuel is used. Just my opinion.
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Post by BlueBear on Mar 8, 2016 13:27:18 GMT -8
A lotta pushback against wood stoves here, and I get it, sure. Don't use them where not allowed, easy to avoid. I've had good luck with a wood/alcohol stove (it can use either fuel) on long trips in SE Alaska. Plenty of wood around (even if a lot of it's wet) and the forest is wet enough I couldn't burn the place down if I tried. I've enjoyed TrailDesigns' stoves. (In full disclosure they gave me one as a sponsorship, I've since bought a couple more out-of-pocket). It got me through a 21-day trip with <4 oz of alcohol fuel (used as a backup only if I found myself without sticks), some had still left over at the end. The fuel savings was a big bonus. My take, anyway. Question 7 got me scratching my head a bit too, for what it's worth. "Unpacking the stove" isn't really "important" to me other than it's something I have to do in order to use it, lol, and I couldn't say whether it's more important than "Packing the stove", per se. Oh well. Best of luck! - Mike
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Post by idahobob on Mar 17, 2016 20:13:19 GMT -8
Pretty tough to beat the Caldera cones split cones versions. Called the Sidewinder I think.
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