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Post by vanderloo on Jan 28, 2023 10:57:20 GMT -8
I didn't see a forum category that seemed appropriate for this question so I hope here is ok. I was wondering if there is some sort of a general rule as to how much a dog can safely pack in on the trail. Assuming it would be maybe based on the dogs weight, age, etc.
I would hope I can gear up my Golden retriever with at least his food and maybe, if not too much, his 2 collapsible bowls.
Example, a 3 day hike would require 18 cups of dry kibble.
Thanks all. Looking forward to a great outdoor run in 2023.
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Post by zeke on Jan 28, 2023 11:20:54 GMT -8
Well, in the olden times we had a few dumpster fires and one such topic was "Dogs on the Trail". I suspect that is why there is no topic devoted to dogs. Does your dog do well with a pack? It takes some training to be sure they are comfortable even with an empty pack. What does 18 C of kibble weigh? I have a suggestion that may differ from others input. Figure out what the dog is comfortable carrying, and then put something other than its food in there. 1. I wouldn't want something to happen to the food and the dog go hungry. 2. If it is gear that will be required for the entire trip, then your pack will get lighter daily, but the dog's will stay the same. Buy the dog's pack, and go for some training. 2 nights, 3 days, might be a good place to start. Be sure the pack has a strap across the chest, like a sternum strap, so it can't slide backwards and come off. Maybe a lightweight dry sack in each compartment to keep the gear dry. Stream crossings might get the contents wet.
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Post by reuben on Jan 28, 2023 12:06:21 GMT -8
If you're gonna try it, start light (just a pack with nothing in it), with low mileage, and ask a knowledgeable veterinarian about your particular dog. Dogs can break down just like people, but the signs may not be nearly as obvious.
Putting food in the dog's pack may distract it. Sure, it can smell the dog treats in your pack as well, but it won't be such an in-your-nose taunting.
Also take into consideration whether or not the dog likes to be outdoors for short periods of time (an hour), a long period (8 hours), or multiple days. This does NOT mean "take into consideration whether or not [YOU THINK] the dog likes to be outdoors". Projection is to be avoided at all costs. Some dogs are fairly obvious in their likes, dislikes, and level of fatigue. Others aren't. I've known both.
If your dog likes 2-5 miles but no more, don't make it go farther. If your dog likes flat ground but not hills, don't take it on hilly trails. If you dog likes cool weather, don't take it on hikes in summer.
Take food and water. They tend to lap up a lot of water at times, which may - or may not - be a sign of fatigue.
Retrievers are known to frequently suffer from displasia, but in an attempt to please their human, will silently trudge on anyway, painfully, and to their future detriment.
Think of the dog as a child who can communicate very little or not at all. Think of the dog as Number One, and yourself as Number Two.
"First, do no harm."
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Post by balzaccom on Jan 28, 2023 12:55:06 GMT -8
Do you mean a backpack to carry your dog? Or a backpack for your dog to carry?
Please see thread under "backpack for guitar". 😝
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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on Jan 28, 2023 13:25:45 GMT -8
The important thing is to have a backup plan, in case your furry friend becomes fatigued or injured. When my canine companion tuckers out or splits a paw pad, I deploy a dog sling to comfortably transport them back to the trailhead. Here’s one of my wives (I’m part of a non-hierarchical, ethically non-monogamous polycule) carrying our pooped-out pooch Mister Fluffykins on a recent hike: I crocheted the sling myself, using Peruvian vicuña wool direct from the shores of Lake Titicaca. With a micron-count of 8-13, vicuña fiber is the finest in the world - unrivaled softness & warmth formerly reserved exclusively for Incan royalty, but light enough to satisfy even the most strident ultralight gram-weenie. The rings are titanium alloy, closed-die forged at 900°C for optimum ductility and minimal surface contamination.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 29, 2023 8:51:29 GMT -8
Sleeping Bag Man is our resident comedian, but I would say that the first line of his post is spot on. I don’t have a dog, and don’t even much like dogs, but I do have experience hiking with kids, and Reuben nailed it: the dog’s needs come first, and that is especially true of its limits. And, unlike with the kids, who we did push at times, the dog can’t really understand why it has to go on.
As for pack weight, that’s got to vary even more for dogs than for children (even the percentage of body weight they can carry).
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Post by trinity on Jan 29, 2023 14:11:25 GMT -8
I was wondering if there is some sort of a general rule as to how much a dog can safely pack in on the trail. The general rule I've always heard is no more than 25% of the dog's own body weight. I never even approached that with my old backpacking companion, Floyd. Since we were usually backpacking in bear country, I carried his food, which had to go in a bear can. He carried his bed, his blanket, his collapsible food bowl, and his water. ask a knowledgeable veterinarian Strongly agree. Individual fitness and strength of your dog will be important factors. Most of us humans require some level of training to be able to comfortably carry a backpack over long distances. A dog is no different. Depending on terrain, I would highly recommend getting your dog a pair of booties. Get him used to them before hitting the trail, most dogs don't take too kindly to having boots on their feet until they get used to it. Sorry for all the unsolicited advice. I really miss my hiking buddy.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 29, 2023 14:28:58 GMT -8
Given the wide variety of body types there can’t be a general rule. What would work for a husky would never keep a slender hound safe etc.
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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on Jan 29, 2023 14:37:39 GMT -8
Depending on terrain, I would highly recommend getting your dog a pair of booties. Hiking southbound on the PCT in Oregon, I encountered a couple northbound section hikers with a dog near Santiam Pass. The dog was moving very slow, and was in obvious misery. They entered the trail at McKenzie pass. Going north, the first 3 miles of that hike is on pure lava rock as you traverse Belknap Crater - hard on human feet due to balance issues and brutal on shoes due to the sharp, jagged lava rocks. I still have my running shoes from that trip as a memento, with all the cut marks from the lava. Anyways, they made their dog walk across that lava, and then 13 more miles after that with injured paws. I cursed them out, for not bringing booties & not turning back quickly on that lava. I told them if there was any justice I would take my pocket knife out, give them each 100 small cuts on the bottom of their feet, and make them walk back the 16 miles barefoot. Looking back on it, it surprises me how well they took my cursing. That was a long time ago...fragile snowflakes today can't handle criticism.
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Post by trinity on Jan 29, 2023 16:47:08 GMT -8
Sleeping Bag Man! , good on you for advocating for one who was unable to advocate for himself. They probably took it well because they knew they had screwed up. In fairness, I have as well, though nothing so egregious. But I remember one death march in particular that I should never have taken Floyd on. I am reminded of another essential to bring when backpacking with a dog, which is a good anti-inflammatory. My vet used to advise me to start Floyd on Metacam a day before hitting the trail, and then continue with daily doses until the end of the trip.
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Post by jazzmom on Jan 29, 2023 16:58:13 GMT -8
I've only backpacked with one dog and he was a golden. Just weekend hikes and never in winter. I thought about getting him his own pack but never did; carrying 2-3 days of food wasn't a big deal.
The biggest lesson learned on our first hike together was that he needed almost double the amount of his normal food intake. I totally underestimated the difference walking most of day would have. (He was spending most of the day laying around and napping while I was at work.) I ended up giving him half of my food. We both hiked out starving. :D
I also thought he would sleep in the vestibule of my small solo tent. Nope. When I woke up, he was on the pad and I was squeezed between the pad and the tent wall.
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Post by vanderloo on Feb 2, 2023 18:26:21 GMT -8
Thank You All for the tremendous responses. Unfortunately I, for some reason, am not getting notifications of replies to my comments so I came back here delightfully surprised at all of the great input. jazzmom's comment about needing almost double the food was a great bit of info I would never have thought about.
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