ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 5, 2022 4:24:38 GMT -8
I terms of what is good for him this was gold. He has built a large YouTube library but most of his videos have less than a 1000 views. He had about 11,000 subscribers. This video due to the number of people now watching will push him up in the YouTube search algorithm and likely he will get more subscribers.
Probably his break out video that makes YouTube profitable for him.
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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on Dec 5, 2022 5:01:07 GMT -8
The YouTube Influencer Solo Winter Camping Water Retrieval Method™Pesky firestarters and bulky cookpots? Snowmelting is for chumps......just find a partially frozen stream, crawl out onto the ice on your belly, and stick your face directly into the water!
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Post by reuben on Dec 5, 2022 5:35:22 GMT -8
Pesky firestarters and bulky cookpots? Snowmelting is for chumps......just find a partially frozen stream, crawl out onto the ice on your belly, and stick your face directly into the water! Because he didn't take a pot, pan, or water bottle? Or because he thought that a staged shot (camera on tripod) of him sucking water from a stream would generate more views?
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 5, 2022 5:57:57 GMT -8
Liquid water is to be feared in winter camping. If that thin ice cracked and he plunged in he might be dead. Maybe from being washed under the frozen stream and drowning or later from hypothermia. Terrible way to go out. Slowly, wishing you could start a fire.
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Post by Coolkat on Dec 5, 2022 6:03:22 GMT -8
Or because he thought that a staged shot (camera on tripod) of him sucking water from a stream would generate more views? This was exactly my thought when I saw him do this. I'm hoping that most will see the danger in that example.
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 5, 2022 6:11:43 GMT -8
Coolkat if you want a list of things he did wrong it might be a long one. I was wondering what kind of stove he had. He talked about how cold it was but he is using an upright isobutane stove. Bad fuel and likely to fall over in snowy conditions. But while I was looking for the stove I found one more of the many things wrong. He filtered the melted snow but was drinking straight from the stream. If it is going to be below freezing both day and night I don't bring a water filter. I have drank a lot of melted snow. Never got sick. If I understand correctly if drink in dormant Giardia they will happily start multiplying in your warm tummy.
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Post by Travis on Dec 5, 2022 7:02:01 GMT -8
I'm not sure I got this straight, but it sounds like he hit SOS when he realized that 2 feet of snow could hide a trail. But he also seems to have known that when he began the trek.
With all the pre-trip planning he supposedly did, he didn't understand the elevations he would have to climb to get into his destination and back out? He pays $50 per month subscription to Garmin and thinks that should cover SAR expenses?
I'm not on Facebook, so I couldn't access any of that information. And I'm not completely devoid of some sympathy for the guy. But I think the snow must have been something closer to 6 feet deep, because he seems to have been in over his head the moment he left the parking lot.
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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on Dec 5, 2022 7:16:16 GMT -8
I'm not sure I got this straight, but it sounds like he hit SOS when he realized that 2 feet of snow could hide a trail. If only he had a GPS, with 1000 waypoints & TracBack® automated route tracing…………………….
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Post by reuben on Dec 5, 2022 7:44:51 GMT -8
His phone needs a "Find My Trailhead" function.
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Post by jazzmom on Dec 5, 2022 7:51:09 GMT -8
I didn't watch the whole thing but watched the beginning and the end. It seems to me that his attitude is *exactly* what the current commercial/business model in this country fosters which is, essentially, "tools = skillset" and "protection = insurance". I think he honestly thought that he had done his due diligence by ensuring that he had the right tools, the right subscription, the right insurance.
I'm pretty sure most of us have heard and repeated the notion that the best protection is what's in your head. Today, it's having the right app; the "premium" subscription. I've eavesdropped on many conversations in gear shops that gave me the impression that customers are researching GPS's more than the actual routes, with the expectation that the right GPS will provide all the info they need. The more $$ you throw at the GPS, the less you need to actually know and understand.
We can shame and ridicule this guy but I think he's a pretty typical result of the product messaging out there. He expected the premium in-reach subscription to provide "customer service" in the backcountry.
I have no problem with SAR and local law enforcement pushing back and using these situations as public service use cases. The guy is being stupid because he's embarrassed, but I don't think it's a "crime."
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Post by ErnieW on Dec 5, 2022 9:02:41 GMT -8
First a subscription to an InReach has little to do with the rescue part. They are providing a communication service that allows you to interact with local rescue. If local resources determine you should keep trying to get yourself out of trouble or the weather is too bad to go get you that is the local call.
I don't think of this as push back as much as appropriate response.
If he wanted an unquestioned rescue he should have used a PLB. To drag out like 30+ people for that type of rescue he should be charged or maybe some time in jail given his circumstances. A long time ago (pre cell phone even) a friend and I helped rescue a guy who got in bad trouble in the NY High Peaks. He was from Long Island. He was solo. He had all rental equipment from EMS and never been winter camping before. He spent two nights lost from his camp and sleeping bag in subzero temps when we found him. We got him back to his camp and helped stabilize him. My friend and I had to end our trip a day early to help walk him out the next day. He was slow so we were ahead of him when we ran into a ranger searching for him. The ranger was pretty solemn and after getting a quick report on him from us he asked to tell the guy they will meet him at the trailhead and left without talking to him on the trail. Sounds just like these sheriffs attitudes.
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Post by BigLoad on Dec 5, 2022 11:10:36 GMT -8
Liquid water is to be feared in winter camping. It sure is, and it's frightening how much water is liquid in winter, even in very low temperatures. It seems to me that his attitude is *exactly* what the current commercial/business model in this country fosters which is, essentially, "tools = skillset" and "protection = insurance". I think he honestly thought that he had done his due diligence by ensuring that he had the right tools, the right subscription, the right insurance. Yes, that's a real issue. I think actual experience tempers faith in those equals signs, but beginners need to survive long enough to learn that lesson.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Dec 5, 2022 11:37:04 GMT -8
Raises hand.
“ If I understand correctly if drink in dormant Giardia they will happily start multiplying in your warm tummy.”
Back in the bad tasting water treatment chemical days I was tired of the taste and figured with the Tioga Rd. having been closed six months plus the mid May water in the Tuolumne river would be safe to drink. 10 pounds of weight loss in a week and a lab confirmed Giardia diagnosed I admitted I was wrong. What I’d forgotten to consider was Giardia is a zoonotic disease: we can get it (or vice versa) from animals; hence one of its common names: Beaver Fever,
And I’m still of the opinion, lying to the authorities in order to compel a helicopter ride out of them looks like a crime to me.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Dec 5, 2022 11:46:31 GMT -8
The sheriffs?
I once helped carry an injured climber off Tahquitz after I’d spent a full day climbing (I e we were all totally bushed). He and his buddy had popped up from L. A. and tried a mid level route they saw, with their mom’s clothesline, for their climbing rope. No experience, no clue, lucky as hell when all one got was a broken leg, and not even a bad one.
You get tested sometimes. It was hard to avoid saying something but I settled on giving them the LA Sierra Club climbing section’s number and encouraging them to check them out. Then again they didn’t lie to us. Just terminally naive and enthusiastic: the one with the broken leg was particularly eager to get back.
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Post by absarokanaut on Dec 5, 2022 12:30:19 GMT -8
Glen Exum and Paul Petzoldt pioneered some classic Teton climbs with clothesline, but that was MANY years ago.
I am more and more dejected with this world where an unmitigated !@#$up like this can grow his audience because of his !@#$up.Time was most of us prided ourselves on dragging our own posteriors out of the backcountry however injured we were. No injury, VERY close to a trailhead. This seems conveniently orchestrated.
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