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Post by darthmusturd on Jul 12, 2022 20:53:12 GMT -8
Hi, gang. I have my Bullpac custom frame that you'll know I adore if you talk to me for five minutes. However, after I got my first ALICE pack I realized the ALICE system fits me a lot more comfortably. I'd say part of this, strangely enough, is due to the thinner, firmer padding. I'm wondering if there would be a way to convert the Bullpac frame to be able to take the ALICE straps. I think the biggest thing would be attaching one of those... I'm not sure if there's a technical term for it, but its essentially the part of the frame around the hip that juts out so that you can have hip padding that "floats" if that makes any sense. You can see what I'm talking about better on the picture below. I'd need something like that on the bag twice, probably. One for the upper back strap because the ALICE pack requires an adapter to fit on the Bullpacs frame, and doesn't just slide over the top of the frame like on other packs. Does anyone have any advice, or any suggestions other than "Just use an ALICE frame"
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jul 13, 2022 6:43:21 GMT -8
The ALICE pack was made in 2 sizes but don’t think the frame was adjustable. There were some lash points, but think there was a top section of the pack (padded nylon) that went over the tubed aluminum frame top. If it fits somewhat you should be “ok” as the rest of the pack just tied off or snapped onto the rest of the aluminum.
There’s a lot of aftermarket pads, straps, and even frames as the ALICE is a classic external frame design. There’s even knock off ALICE packs of various colors and fabrics, though you got to watch the stitching of said knock offs or redo the sewing yourself.
Fwiw the military has gotten away from those and started issuing (“MOLLE gear”) webbing oriented pouches, 3 day assault packs, and even larger, yet plastic framed, big backpacks. Most stuff is actually back in the rear in duffel bags and footlockers (i.e. my travels were heaviest when I was assigned to light infantry units).
Neither ALICE or MOLLE are really suited for recreational backpacking fwiw. These are designed more to toss around in war (mostly tossed into the supply truck with the supply personnel imitating airline baggage destroyers “handlers”) so there’s probably excessive fabric weight not really needed.
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Post by darthmusturd on Jul 13, 2022 8:31:18 GMT -8
The ALICE pack was made in 2 sizes but don’t think the frame was adjustable. There were some lash points, but think there was a top section of the pack (padded nylon) that went over the tubed aluminum frame top. If it fits somewhat you should be “ok” as the rest of the pack just tied off or snapped onto the rest of the aluminum. There’s a lot of aftermarket pads, straps, and even frames as the ALICE is a classic external frame design. There’s even knock off ALICE packs of various colors and fabrics, though you got to watch the stitching of said knock offs or redo the sewing yourself. Fwiw the military has gotten away from those and started issuing (“MOLLE gear”) webbing oriented pouches, 3 day assault packs, and even larger, yet plastic framed, big backpacks. Most stuff is actually back in the rear in duffel bags and footlockers (i.e. my travels were heaviest when I was assigned to light infantry units). Neither ALICE or MOLLE are really suited for recreational backpacking fwiw. These are designed more to toss around in war (mostly tossed into the supply truck with the supply personnel imitating airline baggage destroyers “handlers”) so there’s probably excessive fabric weight not really needed. They actually made 3 sizes, apparently. The "small" which was, and is, just extremely rare. My pack is a knockoff, and it seems more durable than the original. I think it all depends on which factory from China it arrived from. I think we may be having a bit of a misunderstanding, though. What I'm hoping to do is take that metal extension bit around the hip padding and put it on another frame of mine. The frame I have is taller and more customizable, but the padding is actually "too" thick, and it doesn't have that nice sandpaper grip that my ALICE frame has from the thinner padding.
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Post by zeke on Jul 14, 2022 4:29:38 GMT -8
99% of those posting here use an internal frame pack. You may find more assistance in a Bushcraft or Hunting forum. Even there, I'd think adapting Alice gear to a Bullpac frame would be a limited audience.
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Post by Coolkat on Jul 14, 2022 5:09:14 GMT -8
Apparently I haven't been in the backpacking world long enough to even know what you guys are talking about.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jul 14, 2022 6:30:50 GMT -8
Apparently I haven't been in the backpacking world long enough to even know what you guys are talking about. The ALICE pack system was the US military’s mass produced “external frame backpack/rucksack” from the early 1970s to the late ‘00s .. made of durable nylon, with 3 big external pockets and a small one within the lid (that part was somewhat waterproofed). OK in terms of old external frame technology, though civilian external frame packs surpassed it for recreational use, even back in its era. An ALICE is a cheaper option certainly, but even your new external-framish packs like the Ospreys trampoline system or bigger Z-packs are going to bring the load closer to the body’s center of gravity, use lighter, perhaps even waterproof materials, etc.. Z-packs even has a recent model that does away with the “trampoline” mesh in favor of an air pocket. Kind of brings us back to ALICE as if not bulging there was an air pocket in there too, but most had to get into aftermarket add ons (thicker shoulder pad and hip pad add ons) that just increased its weight. It is kind of a neat system in that with the medium ALICE, the pack can be taken off the frame to make a rucksack/daypack .. then put it back on the frame for a backpack likely lashing a sleeping bag (in waterproof stuff sack) to the top or bottom of the packbag. It can be an all-in-one system. There’s also aftermarket manufacturers so it can be had in black, tan, camo, .. as well as original olive drab. Just there’s more comfortable and function-focused packs out there..
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Post by darthmusturd on Jul 15, 2022 22:06:47 GMT -8
Apparently I haven't been in the backpacking world long enough to even know what you guys are talking about. ALICE pack is an old military surplus pack. A Bullpac is a big freighter pack. both are external framed. The Bullpac is kind of obscure and I think only about 5 people have heard of them, which makes info on them kind of difficult.
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