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Post by High Sierra Fan on Apr 26, 2022 19:03:15 GMT -8
Some of REI’s bags in the late sixties were center zip iirc. One of our group had one and seemed to like it okay.
I’d think it would put a thin spot in the insulation in the wrong place, right in the middle of the top like that instead of on a side edge. But for a warmer season bag maybe that’s not an issue. Otoh it would put the zipper more convenient to either hand than a side zipper. Shrug.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 27, 2022 16:19:05 GMT -8
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Post by trinity on Apr 27, 2022 16:29:49 GMT -8
As a hanger, I think you will be very pleased with the move to a quilt. By all accounts, this is a good one. Back to the OP; didn't tigger used to use a center-zip Golite bag?
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Post by tigger on Apr 27, 2022 20:47:55 GMT -8
I used a no-zip, hoodless golite feather-lite, although I tend to grab my quilt more often these days.
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Post by stevet on Apr 28, 2022 19:17:59 GMT -8
My very first down sleeping bag, a Christmas gift from my parents some 52 years ago was center zip, about 1/2 the length of the bag. I think center zips were quite common then as most of my friends in Boy Scouts had bags with similar design. (The remainder of the guys had rectangular flannel lined dacron88 filled bags).
As a kid I knew nothing better and it seemed to work fine. The bag fell apart after a few years and I replaced it with a full length side zip which I much prefer. The full length allows a wider comfort range where I can have a luxuriously large quilt on the warmest nights and a tightly battened down cocoon on the coldest.
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 29, 2022 3:57:28 GMT -8
The full length allows a wider comfort range where I can have a luxuriously large quilt on the warmest nights and a tightly battened down cocoon on the coldest. I see that quilts are really popular but for me the cost in some weight and bulk of a zipper is easily offset by the protection against cold and that enhanced temp range. For me it is the worst to be cold overnight on the trail.
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Post by zeke on Apr 29, 2022 8:46:59 GMT -8
ErnieW A good quilt will be just as warm as a bag. If it is wide enough, it can completely cover 3 sides of you, and we all know the bottom side of a bag, the one you are sleeping on against the pad, does nothing because of the compression. If you roll over, and take the bag with you, that side will be cold until the bag lofts where it was compressed. You're carrying that weight for nothing. I have a 20º quilt I'll loan you if you want to test out the theory.
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Post by trinity on Apr 29, 2022 9:40:41 GMT -8
A good quilt will be just as warm as a bag. After 8 years or so with a quilt, I'm not sure I believe this any longer. At the very least, I think it is fair to say that quilts are more prone to user error than bags. If you have a really good pad attachment system and use it properly, I guess you can completely seal out drafts, but I've never been entirely successful. I love quilts for their weight and venting possibilities, but I've reached the point where if I expect the temperature to drop below about 35 degrees, I'm going with a bag.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 29, 2022 12:43:07 GMT -8
I'm a back sleeper and don't move around much at all, which is probably a good thing with a quilt in cold weather.
No experience yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Of course, I've been using my sleeping bags like quilts in my hammock for years.
Last month it got down to the mid-20's one night. When I woke up a little chilled I got inside the mummy bag and zipped it up. Not an easy feat in a hammock, but it did help.
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Post by trinity on Apr 29, 2022 13:41:01 GMT -8
driftwoody , as I'm sure you know, the challenges of eliminating drafts with a quilt don't really exist in a hammock, partly because your underside is wrapped in an underquilt, as opposed to lying flat on a pad. Much less coverage is needed in a hammock, and it tucks more easily underneath you. I think you are really going to enjoy your quilt. Assuming you have a quality underquilt, you are going to be completely wrapped in a cloud of down.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 29, 2022 14:38:18 GMT -8
trinity, my UQ is 20* Warbonnet (which exceeds the 30* REI TQ). I'm not a warm sleeper, and that night the main reason I caught a chill was my head got cold. My sleeping bag is high quality -- Western Mountaineering Ultralight 20. On really chilly nights I might opt for that bag in my tent. I have a warm Exped pad which I haven't even used yet.
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 30, 2022 5:13:51 GMT -8
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look closer at the numbers regarding weight and bulk of bag vs quilt. I think it clearly has two forks here; ground/pad sleeping and hammock. I think that for hammock the case for just a top quilt is very strong. For ground sleeping a little more gray. I have been hammocking mostly recently.
The boost in warmth I like to know I have with me with a bag has other reasons beyond just low air temperature. There has been times when I have been exhausted and possibly dehydrated and possibly underfed when in an air temp that I would normally be warm I need the extra warmth from not making heat as well. The added warmth also helps my muscles recover overnight I think.
And on a final note a large number of nights I am out using my bag as a quilt. Actually in the summer a lot of times nothing on top. So maybe a quilt for me but I still really hate the risk being cold overnight.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 30, 2022 6:42:34 GMT -8
ErnieW, May 2 is the last day for 30% off the REI quilt.
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Post by trinity on Apr 30, 2022 7:10:03 GMT -8
I think that for hammock the case for just a top quilt is very strong. For ground sleeping a little more gray. This is an accurate assessment, in my opinion. But given that you are spending most of your time in a hammock, and often use your sleeping bag as a quilt when sleeping on the ground, I think you would be very happy if you added a quilt to your quiver. The Magma sounds like a great quilt, an even less expensive option would be a Hammock Gear Economy Burrow. You can customize this quilt with color, width, length, and overstuff. This is a great cottage gear company.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 30, 2022 7:14:02 GMT -8
I do have to agree about the challenges of keeping drafts out when using a quilt. For me, quilts are the winner because I’m a side sleeper, and never managed to use a mummy bag without pulling it tight across my backside, causing a large cold spot (fine, take that how you want). The quilt requires some re-tucking every time I turn over, which is annoying but still preferable to the bag.
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