ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 30, 2022 8:30:27 GMT -8
Sorry for the thread drift but here are some numbers I am looking at. The temperature rating are different but I am looking at the bulk and weight saving I could have in warmer weather. I currently am carrying the Magma 15 bag so I thought comparing to the Magma 30 quilt.
Magma 15 bag long: Weight: 1 lb 15 oz Bulk: 5.7 liters
Magma 30 quilt long: Weight: 1 lb 4 oz Bulk: 3 liters
So 11 oz saving is pretty significant. Half the bulk is as well. I could also look at an even lighter construction quilt than the Magma for saving additional oz's. The magma looks like fairly heavy duty built.
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Post by driftwoody on Apr 30, 2022 8:38:15 GMT -8
There are better quilts than the Magma, but not for the $230 sale price.
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Post by dayhiker on May 3, 2022 8:25:54 GMT -8
I use a rectangle bag (my arms dont like to be confined) so zipper is where ever I put it? Easier sometimes to zip it on top, when it is catching on material.
Down coamight work with . . .
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Post by cweston on May 4, 2022 4:36:28 GMT -8
The thing that doesn't make sense to me about center zip bags is what do you do when you actually want a little draft? This is where quilts really shine over bags, IMHO. A bag is great--maybe better than a quilt-- when you want the maximum warmth it can provide. But any time you want a little less than the maximum, a quilt gives way more options, IMHO. Sometimes on warmer nights I even pull the quilt up around my torso, but poke both legs out.
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Post by ErnieW on May 4, 2022 4:40:59 GMT -8
Sometimes on warmer nights I even pull the quilt up around my torso, but poke both legs out. On really warm buggy nights sometimes my bag stayed stuffed while I am zippered into my shelter. Sometimes as I have suffered in the heat I wished it wasn't even in the tent with me.
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Post by jazzmom on May 4, 2022 6:07:34 GMT -8
The thing that doesn't make sense to me about center zip bags is what do you do when you actually want a little draft? This is where quilts really shine over bags, IMHO. A bag is great--maybe better than a quilt-- when you want the maximum warmth it can provide. But any time you want a little less than the maximum, a quilt gives way more options, IMHO. Sometimes on warmer nights I even pull the quilt up around my torso, but poke both legs out. I guess my experience is almost the opposite (in terms of flexibility) in that, for me, a sleeping bag can go from completely unzipped, so functioning like a quilt, to zipped up without any drafts. In spring/fall where I like to hike/camp (and sometimes even in summer up north), it's not unusual for it to be 60-degrees when I go to sleep and have it dip down into the 40's just before dawn. Whenever I've tried using a quilt in those conditions, I've found that I need the quilt "straps" on when it gets below 50 or I'm constantly waking up to tuck the quilt to keep out drafts. Problem is that I have to commit to straps/no straps when I'm going to sleep since I can't get myself to bother doing that at 4 in the morning. In those transitional temps, I seem to either be "trapped" in a strapped quilt, or fighting drafts. Just zipping up a sleeping bag in the middle of the night is so much easier. I'm guessing this would less of an issue in a hammock, where you're sort of cocooned/tucked in naturally. (Just being in a tent that blocks wind makes a difference.) ETA: I really wish I liked quilts but I think I've missed the window; the older I get, the less efficiently my own temperature regulation seems to work.
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Post by leadbelly on May 4, 2022 8:14:51 GMT -8
The bag I’m testing arrived, and it is a Patagonia down bag - rated to 30 degrees. Weighs a little less than 2 pounds. I always get sleeping bags long for some extra space in the foot box. It’s pretty roomy inside, which i appreciate, particularly at the shoulders. Good hood with drawstrings.
The center zipper runs to a little above the ankle. It has dual draft tubes that should minimize inbound cold air. There are three zipper pulls, which I have not seen before. They allow you to create an opening in the middle of the zipper to ventilate - interesting.
My review will probably get posted online some time in July or August, after I have had time to use it.
I have never used a quilt. I move around some and have concerns i would wake up with quilt in a ball & me shivering.
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Post by rangewalker on May 4, 2022 16:48:21 GMT -8
My review will probably get posted online some time in July or August, after I have had time to use it. The consensus of the thread seems against you, so we are all interested in your review. Where, meaning, what summer clime are you headed to. Makes a difference. I took stock of my fleet the other night to swing to the season changes. It took a lot of years to get the stuff dialed into my area and where I want to go in this decade. The only bag that is a candidate for a 20 deg down semi-rectangular that appears to be just shy of its half-life. Since it lives in breezy three-season tents, nope to quilt. A definite nope to center opening.
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Post by leadbelly on May 5, 2022 5:22:14 GMT -8
Center zip bags seem to be increasingly available. Valandre, a French high-end provider comparable to Feathered Friends and Western Mountaineering, sells a bag rated to -15c with a center half zip. Many of Valandre’s winter bags, heat leakage is less of a concern because they’re designed to be worn while wearing a down jacket. unusually roomy from hips to shoulders to accommodate the jacket. It’s a workable concept because it helps shave weight from the bag when it’s used as a system with the jacket. Mammut offers a 30 degree center zip down bag too. A few initial observations is that a center zip is really good for sitting up in a tent on a cold morning or evening while in the bag - it’s centered, doesn’t slide off the way a side zip bag does. Also, draft tubes on either side that may or may not be filled with synthetic insulation close the gap nicely to keep heat in. If it’s synthetic fill, it’s an interesting design decision because you really don’t want down shifting around in a draft tube.
The most interesting will be New Hampshire’s White Mountains, hiking the Northern and Southern Presidentials end of June. Average temperatures for June in the mountains are highs around 50, lows in the high 30s. In reality, weather fluctuates, so anything between a bluebird day and snow is possible. I’ll be in a tent with 1 or 2 others, we’re still figuring out whether it’s two 2-person tents or whether one of us can procure a 3.
Locally, mid-Atlantic, the challenge with a 30 degree bag is getting enough ventilation due to our steamy summers. Maryland would be a good place to test-drive a quilt.
My normal 3 season bag is an old, fairly inexpensive, but perfectly capable Marmot bag - rated to 15 degrees, 650 fill power, around 2 pounds, 10 oz., standard zipper.
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Post by downriver on May 6, 2022 7:30:32 GMT -8
The bag I’m testing arrived, and it is a Patagonia down bag - rated to 30 degrees. Weighs a little less than 2 pounds. I always get sleeping bags long for some extra space in the foot box. It’s pretty roomy inside, which i appreciate, particularly at the shoulders. Good hood with drawstrings. The center zipper runs to a little above the ankle. It has dual draft tubes that should minimize inbound cold air. There are three zipper pulls, which I have not seen before. They allow you to create an opening in the middle of the zipper to ventilate - interesting. My review will probably get posted online some time in July or August, after I have had time to use it. I have never used a quilt. I move around some and have concerns i would wake up with quilt in a ball & me shivering. Is this the bag you have, leadbelly? 
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Post by leadbelly on May 10, 2022 12:34:44 GMT -8
Yes, that orange bag is what I’m testing. 30 degree bag, size long.
i have slept in it twice, and primarily because i was considering a shift in sleeping pads from closed-cell foam to something inflatable. i was a lot more comfortable on an inflatable thermarest than the foam pad. The bag seems nice. it was fairly warm out, so i was at least half-unzipped or zipped open a pretty good opening. the zipper allows you to put an opening midway down the zipper while keeping the part near your head zipped - unorthodox but functionally sound.
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