I have a quick question about some big agnes tent specs

Ill take a stab, packed weight is fly, tent, and footprint, fly is fly and poles and trail weight is no footprint. That is half a couple of pounds less than my lightest packed weight tent and I want a new one very badly.

Thanks guys.

I almost made it to the bottom of the product info. (I obviously have ADD)

Thanks Rebecca, I appreciate you all taking the time to explain these things to me. I'll admit my head is spinning with all the new lingo and knowledge about these tents and the different weights weren't making sense to me. I was looking at the Big Agness and doing some comparisons to several of the tents in neneboricua's thread. I've got allot of research to do!

We've all been there. Some of us twice!

Water rolling in, would be akin to camping under a tarp? ie without a Bathtub floor, but there are other problems:

Outdoor Gear:

The Follies of Fast-Pitching with a Footprint
Although manufacturers tout their tents' fast-pitch weight (using an optional footprint with poles and a rain fly) we don't believe this type of shelter is viable for backpacking in wind or rain. Compared to floorless tents, fast-pitching has two significant limitations: (1) it's much weaker, and (2) it's much less weather resistant. Most double-wall tents have a specific inner tent that supports the pole structure and has a 4-8" waterproof walls that protects against splashback and horizontally blown rain. Footprints are cut to match the inner tent's floor dimensions, so if fast-pitching a tent in the rain, we've found that water almost always lands on the footprint, creeps inward, and gets us wet. Grommets in the footprint provide the support for the poles, so you can't fast-pitch without a footprint or roll the footprint back from the dripping rain. Furthermore, since most outer tents attach to the poles from the outside with velcro, fast pitching is inherently weak, and made weaker by the fact that many outer tents have no means to connect to the poles— they may only clip the footprint—and, therefore, guying the outer tent out is completely useless. For these reasons we don't believe that fast-pitching a tent is viable for serious backpacking. It's largely just a marketing gimmick.

However, the Hilleberg Anjan and MSR Hubba Hubba NX are dedicated pole-supported tents in our review finalists that can be used without their inner tents in significant rain or wind and can be pitched in a floor-less configuration. We like this floor-less configuration because it is stronger than the typical "fast-pitch" and does not require purchasing a separate footprint.

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This is sort of what I was thinking, in fact I worried about using my BetaLite, since my sleeping bag and me could easily roll out the side of the tent!  It has an optional bathtub floor you can bring but is about as heavy as the BetaBug (inner tent).  I winter camp or use in late fall with it, it doesn't taper at the feet like some of my prior tents , and my ground cloth can be sized to be well inside the tent, still rolling rain might be a problem.  One time I camped with it and the inner and sleet piled up on one side, and then rain water behind that!

But I could see fast fly if you would cowboy camp, probably good for a light short rain.