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Post by tigger on Feb 3, 2016 8:48:21 GMT -8
I'm still voting for a rainshell with pitzips or a second base layer. I've been wearing the same layers for years with minimal signs of wear. Merino wool is a bit fragile and that base layer for me, is reserved for camp. I wear synthetic wicking base layers while hiking.
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Post by cweston on Feb 3, 2016 9:01:16 GMT -8
Thanks for all the replies. I think I wasn't clear enough with my explanation. Usually I hike only with my merino shirt. But once the temperatures drop below 10 C, then I tend to put on an extra layer. The rain jacket is perfect, but I'm still yet to find one that doesn't make me get soaked as I sweat quite a lot. This is what I use for that purpose: Marmot Ion wind shirt: www.rei.com/product/746595/marmot-ion-windshirt-mensLooks like it is discontinued, but I'd suggest finding something like this. It is extremely lightweight, & packs down super small. I find it many, many times more breathable than my fancy waterproof/breathable rain shell (which I also carry, for actual rain). I really think that this is exactly what you are asking for. |
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Post by reuben on Feb 3, 2016 9:22:45 GMT -8
I've been wearing the same layers for years with minimal signs of wear. You, or the layers? |
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Post by tigger on Feb 3, 2016 9:38:40 GMT -8
- The layers for sure. I have shown quite a bit of wear, mainly due to my children. |
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Post by reuben on Feb 3, 2016 10:29:39 GMT -8
You coulda taught the Miracle Whip Militia at Malheur a thing or two. They ran out of underwear the first week.
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Post by tigger on Feb 3, 2016 10:40:20 GMT -8
You coulda taught the Miracle Whip Militia at Malheur a thing or two. They ran out of underwear the first week. I changed my underwear four times while out on the ice sheets of Greenland for nearly a month and probably didn't need to do it that much. TMI? |
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Post by reuben on Feb 3, 2016 10:46:35 GMT -8
I had two pair and changed more often than that during a month in South America, but it was warmer, and I didn't have to melt snow to get water to rinse them with.
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Post by rebeccad on Feb 4, 2016 20:56:14 GMT -8
Under normal (backpacking or otherwise) conditions, I prefer to change my undies daily. But if I were on the ice sheet, I bet I'd get a whole lot less persnickity in a hurry.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Feb 6, 2016 19:29:24 GMT -8
Thanks for all the replies. I think I wasn't clear enough with my explanation. Usually I hike only with my merino shirt. But once the temperatures drop below 10 C, then I tend to put on an extra layer. The rain jacket is perfect, but I'm still yet to find one that doesn't make me get soaked as I sweat quite a lot. .... That's why I was thinking about the R1 or the Arc'teryx. The problem is that those materials look super thin, and it looks as if they are going to get destroyed after a couple of days. Mainly with a backpack on my shoulders. Most rain jackets aren't that breathable except for eVent fabric (I use Canada's Westcomb or the UK's Montane). Still they are pricey and can still overheat. Many ultralight wind shirts are much more breathable (designed for trail runners) and usually much cheaper, so I often leave my rain jacket packed. The are wind and water resistant but not enough to drench a heavy sweater. The Patagonia Houdini was a good one but later models apparently do not breathe as well; I'm trying out the EMS Excel-Ultra Pak which is said to be more breathable and about $45. EMS may be a hassle to ship from America though, so the UK's Montane has some wind smocks, wind jackets etc.. The R1 fleece should last a fair amt but synthetics may lose warmth fairly quickly, especially under pack straps, on the back, and yeah sleeves. |
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Post by scapegoat on Feb 7, 2016 6:35:12 GMT -8
Is GoreTex a thing anymore? I've got a hooded Marmot Minimalist rainshell with pitzips and I use it for year round activities. I hardly over heat on rough trails because it breathes so well and it blocks the wind wonderfully when I'm bombing down the slopes at well below freezing (and on the long lift rides;)
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Feb 7, 2016 7:00:55 GMT -8
Is GoreTex a thing anymore? .... I hardly over heat on rough trails because it breathes so well and it blocks the wind wonderfully when I'm bombing down the slopes at well below freezing (and on the long lift rides;) Depends. I just confined a nice GoreTex to city use since I was perspiring while backpacking as winter storms hit in Dec (in the southwest US of course), so some of it just depends on individual physiology. Some like GoreTex or similar proprietary fabrics, some eVent, .... and some just use trekking umbrellas frustrated by it all. Looking at past materials, eVent is more breathable since it lacks one of the membranes GoreTex used to prevent oils from contaminating the WPB part, but then longetivity may come into play. REI used eVent in-house for the past few years, so it's probably ok. Of course there's the DWR wetting out issue that GoreTex is reported to address this upcoming season, so we will see as R&D releases new fabrics. Gore - Tex tends to be warmer than eVent, so if downhill skiing or hanging out in winter, I still use it. Also my winter footwear is lined in GoreTex... |
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Post by tigger on Feb 7, 2016 10:27:46 GMT -8
Is GoreTex a thing anymore? I've got a hooded Marmot Minimalist rainshell with pitzips and I use it for year round activities. I hardly over heat on rough trails because it breathes so well and it blocks the wind wonderfully when I'm bombing down the slopes at well below freezing (and on the long lift rides;) My gaiters, several sets of rain gear, several pairs of boots, three different pairs of gloves, and bivy are all Gore-Tex. I couldn't imagine my rain shell without pitzips, but otherwise I am completely satisfied with my Gore-Tex items. |
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Post by snappypepper on Feb 19, 2016 12:14:28 GMT -8
My SO has an Arc'teryx Atom jacket that he has worn extensively for 5 years. He is planning on replacing it with the same exact thing when it finally needs to be retired. He tends to run a bit on the hot side while hiking, so he actually usually only uses it when we break for camp or when conditions are super cold. In 30+ degree weather, he will wear a technical t shirt topped with expedition weight capilene for warmth and that works great for him. He also has a Gore tex pullover for when it gets really wet, but he tends to get too hot with it on for long.
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Post by hikerjer on Feb 19, 2016 13:33:05 GMT -8
1. Consider getting high fill power, good quality down insulation jacket rather than fleece -- whatever your target warmth level, down will be a lot lighter and will take up just a fraction of your pack space. Do take care to keep down jacket dry (although really, the same applies to fleece as well). Ah, my friend Ben, We have an honest point of disagreement here. While I love down and take it wherever I can, in wet situations as I imagine northern Sweden to be, I think the water resistance of fleece trumps down. Of course, if you keep the down dry, no problem. But if it gets wet and stuff does happen, you're pretty well screwed. Next to impossible to dry down in a wet climate. Andrew Skurda on his hike circumventing Alaska, found fleece to be superior to down and even synthetics and highly recommends it for wet, cold climates. Just my opinion, mind you. Be interesting to hear what other folks have to say. |
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Post by reuben on Feb 19, 2016 13:41:21 GMT -8
He tends to run a bit on the hot side while hiking Hubba hubba. So take him hiking! |
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