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Post by liv4mtns on Oct 20, 2020 12:37:03 GMT -8
I put mine inside a waterproof stuff sack that is much larger than the smallest size I could use. The reason is that the sack can then take the shape available rather than forming a bowling ball. Same for my camp/night clothing. Franco, so if your smallest stuff sack is lets say 4 liters, what size would you go up to for your sleeping bag?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 20, 2020 13:01:17 GMT -8
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Post by franco on Oct 20, 2020 13:35:00 GMT -8
The stuff sack needs to be just big enough so that it can still be squashed rather than remaining a solid ball . A long time ago ( over 10 years ...) I posted a photo of the difference in volume taken up by bowling balls (that is several stuff sacks crammed with gear) and the same gear sort of loose. The latter took up about 20% less space because there were no empty bits in-between. The photos are probably still on Photobucket. BTW, I was not the first to think of that.... I had a look.Some photos are still on the Net. This was 8 years ago and it was a bit different than the one I had in mind but the point remains. In the first photo you see 3 stuff sacks as full as they can get. When you put weight on top of those , they still take up the same space. In the second photo the bricks take the place of heavy stuff like food/fuel/medical kit and water. (or whatever) The weight of the latter bits will compress the now loose gear at the bottom.
BTW, those bricks are 8 lbs each so more than most here would carry in weight but it was done to make the difference more obvious. I often used to do stuff like that on the fly. I would read a comment, make a mock up of what I had in mind and post it.
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Post by hikerjer on Oct 20, 2020 14:39:17 GMT -8
Stuffing my sleeping bag is one of my least favorite camp chores. Same here. Espcially when it's cold. It's amazing how fast that nylon can suck the warmth from your hands.
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 20, 2020 14:44:45 GMT -8
Stuffing my sleeping bag is one of my least favorite camp chores. Same here. Espcially when it's cold. It's amazing how fast that nylon can suck the warmth from your hands. Besides that, the warmest thing you have is vanishing as fast as you can make it happen
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Post by hikerjer on Oct 20, 2020 17:21:01 GMT -8
Besides that, the warmest thing you have is vanishing as fast as you can make it happen Seems counter productice in a weird way.
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Post by trinity on Oct 20, 2020 17:38:32 GMT -8
I put mine inside a waterproof stuff sack that is much larger than the smallest size I could use. The reason is that the sack can then take the shape available rather than forming a bowling ball. Same for my camp/night clothing. That's what I do as well. Usually I put my sleeping bag (or quilt) in a Neoair pumpsack. Provides some extra protection from the elements, but allows the bag to conform to the space. Heavier stuff goes on top to compress. The pumpsack serves a dual purpose, allowing me to inflate my Neoair without introducing moisture into the pad.
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 20, 2020 17:57:33 GMT -8
Usually I put my sleeping bag (or quilt) in a Neoair pumpsack. That's what I've used most in recent years. It holds the sleeping bag loosely along with my warm layers, inflates my pad and becomes a pillow at night.
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Post by Westy on Oct 21, 2020 9:29:27 GMT -8
I use down-filled sleeping bags and store them loose in the super-sized original equipment sack when at home. On trail, I use the small, non-compression stuff sack that came with the sleeping bag. It is jammed in the bottom of my pack along with my Therm-a-rest NeoAir Xlite sleeping pad. Back in the olden days I would deploy a secondary green trash bag for wet weather protection. Since 2015 I upgraded to 100% durable Dyneema® Composite Fabrics backpacks. My sleeping bags have been dry after heavy rain and up to my neck, slot canyon pools ever since.
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Post by liv4mtns on Oct 21, 2020 12:16:31 GMT -8
Back in the olden days I would deploy a secondary green trash bag for wet weather protection. Since 2015 I upgraded to 100% durable Dyneema® Composite Fabrics backpacks. My sleeping bags have been dry after heavy rain and up to my neck, slot canyon pools ever since Westy, what Dyneema pack are you using?
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Post by BigLoad on Oct 21, 2020 12:29:28 GMT -8
I can't speak for Westy, but I use a full Dyneema McHale.
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Post by Westy on Oct 22, 2020 6:57:25 GMT -8
liv4mtns Currently use three (3) Dyneema packs, all Hyperlite Mountain Gear - HMG 3400 Junction (shown) - Used for on trail 90/10 applications
- HMG 3400 Southwest - Used for tougher situations, close quarters, up and over immoveable objects, bushwhacks
- HMG Daybreak Ultralight - All round daypack
HMG 3400 Junction - CDT '19 - Glacier NP, MT, USA
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Post by liv4mtns on Oct 22, 2020 10:57:46 GMT -8
liv4mtns Currently use three (3) Dyneema packs, all Hyperlite Mountain Gear - HMG 3400 Junction (shown) - Used for on trail 90/10 applications
- HMG 3400 Southwest - Used for tougher situations, close quarters, up and over immoveable objects, bushwhacks
- HMG Daybreak Ultralight - All round daypack
Thanks Westy. Had my eye on the HMG packs. Tried on the 3400 Southwest, but that's all I did. No weight in it, just threw it on, but I did not like the feel of no definitive back panel. Should I have gone further with some weight in it? I just bought a ULA Circuit that I really like. Had it customized to my liking. I am a fan of the roll top "bag" type pack now. Tell me more about your HMG's when you get time.
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Post by bradmacmt on Oct 23, 2020 17:36:08 GMT -8
I would NEVER put a down bag in a compression sack...
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Post by Lamebeaver on Oct 25, 2020 13:52:13 GMT -8
I don't know if a compression sack would damage down, but down bags compress pretty well....even without one.
Space doesn't weigh much. I've been known to bring a pillow backpacking.....not a full-size pillow, but it's a "real" pillow. I put it in the back of the pack (away from my back). It weighs very little and makes trips much more comfortable.
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