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Post by tigger on Jan 9, 2016 14:21:38 GMT -8
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Post by johnnyray on Jan 9, 2016 17:19:43 GMT -8
I have not watched all the vids so I may have missed it, how much fuel goes to melting ice for cooking and drinking? I would probably drink quite a bit my self I bet the air is pretty dry to say the least.
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Post by tigger on Jan 9, 2016 18:55:34 GMT -8
how much fuel goes to melting ice for cooking and drinking? If you look at any one of the inside videos, you'll see that we use propane to cook with. We have two two-burner stoves with a 5 gallon propane tank hooked up to each one. We used our ice cores after they were measured/weighed/etc to boil vs. the surface snow when possible because of the density. Nothing like drinking fifteen year old ice water. We almost always had our large pot melting snow for tea, cooking, coffee, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 20:30:37 GMT -8
I'm really enjoying the videos. Thanks, Tigger.
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Post by johnnyray on Jan 9, 2016 20:40:59 GMT -8
I was wondering if you melted the ice cores, probably make great coffee.
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Post by Coolkat on Jan 10, 2016 7:53:37 GMT -8
I was watching the some of the storm footage and got to wondering why the tents don't have a dual door vestibule system that way when going outside you don't loose all your warmth. Or is there not a huge difference in temperature between inside and outside but I'm thinking there is.
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Post by tigger on Jan 10, 2016 8:24:59 GMT -8
I was watching the some of the storm footage and got to wondering why the tents don't have a dual door vestibule system that way when going outside you don't loose all your warmth. Excluding the work tent and my Golite Shangri-La 5, they do have a dual entry (even the BD Stronghold). The mess tent has an entry on both sides, almost exactly opposite of each other. The BD three man tents can be entered on either side of the front vestibule and also have a entry on the back of the shelter with a small vestibule on the back. Our sleeping quarters were a bit snug so I often left a bit of gear in the back vestibule in case I needed it.
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Post by BlueBear on Jan 10, 2016 10:17:27 GMT -8
I was watching the some of the storm footage and got to wondering why the tents don't have a dual door vestibule system that way when going outside you don't loose all your warmth. As Tigger pointed out, our sleeping tents had dual doors & vestibules. MHW Trango 3The mess tent, a MHW Stronghold, has other considerations. It has dual doors as Tigger noted, but no vestibules because it is a TALL tent and the symmetric geodesic design is built for equal strength in all directions. Most other tents that tall (nearly 7' tall in the center) would not hold up to the wind, and would be torn apart in storms. In fact, even that tent got buckled on one side and nearly shredded to ribbons when a guy line popped off a bad stake in 2013. Another single perimeter stake (one of 15) was missing on the perimeter, giving the wind just enough leverage to cause half the tent to go completely concave. It took several of us braving the storm to re-stake & reinforce to save it. You could triple the weight of the poles and materials, but then you're talking about a 150+ lb tent. Adding vestibules and other "peripheral" structure would weaken it significantly when the wind turns broadside to the doors, which it will. In a storm like that the vestibules would completely fill with snow anyway. The tall tent and the low doors make it so not *that* much heat gets released when we open the doors to enter/exit anyway. They thought those tents through, for their purpose. They're not perfect, but pretty close. - Mike
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Post by Coolkat on Jan 10, 2016 11:03:10 GMT -8
Adding vestibules and other "peripheral" structure would weaken it significantly when the wind turns broadside to the doors, which it will. In a storm like that the vestibules would completely fill with snow anyway. The tall tent and the low doors make it so not *that* much heat gets released when we open the doors to enter/exit anyway. This makes sense and is new to me since I've never been in those kinds of conditions. In my simple way of thinking I thought a vestibule with two doors one should close the outer door before opening the inner door and thus save some heat and then reverse the process when exiting the tent.
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Post by tigger on Jan 10, 2016 11:26:11 GMT -8
This makes sense and is new to me since I've never been in those kinds of conditions. In my simple way of thinking I thought a vestibule with two doors one should close the outer door before opening the inner door and thus save some heat and then reverse the process when exiting the tent. When setting up the mess tent, we would stake it down, guy it out, and then bury the edge of the shelters. If there were any small holes at all in the border, it would fill up with spindrift within hours. During major storms, I would often have to go around knocking down the snow that would climb up five feet up the side, inside the outer fly. I would dig it out and then bury the edge again. Often it would look like the edge was buried...but the first strong winds, we would find out it wasn't. On my personal shelter, my tent mate and I forgot to seal the edge of the vestibule and it completely filled it by the afternoon. One day, I left a small four inch crack on the inner tent zipper and I came in to find four inches of snow all over our gear inside the tent. One morning, I woke up having to pee and went to go outside. I went into the vestibule and attempted to go out...only to find that the tent itself had been nearly completely buried. I had to unzip from the top of the door and push the snow out so that I could climb out the hole I made at the top. I had brought a ton of gear with me (the others can attest). However, once I got in the groove...I pretty much wore the same clothes...the entire time. There was no point in taking off anything except for at dinner time when the mess tent warmed up. I only changed underwear four times the entire time on the ice. The only real "bathing" I got was wet wipes used on my groin on occasion and constantly using hand sanitizer. I had the luxury of bringing dry shampoo (which I offered to the others) and it helped a little but a month away from running water...is just that. Most of the time, I had a five layer system which consisted of a thermal layer, mid-weight thermal layer, wool layer, down jacket, and a heavy outer down parka. When we traveled or when storms blew in, I would sometimes add another layer depending on conditions.
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Post by BlueBear on Mar 2, 2016 20:28:31 GMT -8
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Mar 3, 2016 5:55:42 GMT -8
Why not build one of these? That's what I'd do if I had Tigger to boss around.
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Post by FamilySherpa on Mar 3, 2016 5:59:18 GMT -8
GoBlue, whats on the agenda this year? Anything interesting that's different from previous years?
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Post by tigger on Mar 3, 2016 7:20:11 GMT -8
Why not build one of these? That's what I'd do if I had Tigger to boss around. If we didn't actually have to work pretty much every day, I would so build that...
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Post by amaruq on Mar 3, 2016 7:24:13 GMT -8
Glad to see some Canadians are out to give you a hand.
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