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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 13, 2019 5:19:42 GMT -8
Here’s a windscreen I made years ago for a Snowpeak Giga… it’s a Snowpeak Ti Bowl ($17) www.rei.com/product/720286/snow-peak-titanium-bowl?sku=7202860016&store modified to fit over the stove. Works great and weigh’s 1.8 oz’s. It will certainly save its weight in fuel on longer walks, and provide quicker, easier boiling. I may try to build one for my current MSR Pocket Rocket DLX. Easy to do, you need a tape measure, straight edge, pencil, sharpie and Dremel. I’d suggest mocking it up with paper or thin cardboard first, test it (and modify as needed), then transfer the cutouts off the mockup via sharpie to the Ti pot. Cut it out with the Dremel using a cutting wheel. On this one I cut four additional slots (3rd photo below) because I was worried about airflow… I needn’t have done it, they’re not necessary.
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Post by swiftdream on Jun 13, 2019 10:33:07 GMT -8
Brilliant, that will make your sit on top canister stove efficient. What is the biggest pot you can use with that setup? Once I went remote canister with a full height, tight windscreen the fuel efficiency skyrocketed, saves so much fuel it does set aside the weight penalty and then some.
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Post by gabby on Jun 13, 2019 11:18:58 GMT -8
Nice. I struggled/"experimented" with (1) the Snowpeak "windscreen" (it isn't a windscreen, and didn't work), (2) a homemade foil one (worked better, but too fragile to carry - kinda like this:  ) and (3) a partial "windshield" I got from Optimus (worked okay, but not on esp. windy days - and, FYI, too heavy (5 oz)!). But never even thought about the ti bowls I got from Snowpeak for "other experimentation". (You could even use the mostly useless Snowpeak "windscreen" as a pattern to make this one! (FYI: I used it as the bottom part of my foil windscreen, but that just made it too heavy.) Thanks a bunch! Really! :^D ETA: If you simply search for "foil canister windscreen" and switch to "Images" display, you could potentially get a lot of ideas - wish I'd had that thought when I was making my foil one long ago! There are foil windscreens made from MSR windscreen material that hang off the handles of the pot for support - damn! good idea!  ETA ETA: If you were willing to "waste" $40 - $50 bucks on one of the thinner, lighter pots (of a larger diameter than your main use pot), you could make an even higher and tighter windscreen the same way! My brain is spinning, but I'm sure you can see that... ETA ETA ETA: And, via that search, I now see that the "Zen stoves" website even suggests your innovation on their Accessories page ... Still, you get kudos from me. Nice post. |
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Post by trinity on Jun 13, 2019 14:10:19 GMT -8
That's brilliant, bradmacmt . How do you like the Pocket Rocket Deluxe compared to the Giga? I've been pondering making that exact upgrade myself. |
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 14, 2019 4:08:04 GMT -8
What is the biggest pot you can use with that setup? Not sure SD, I've never used over a 650ml pot on it. My 1400ml will not fit, so I suppose something in the 1000ml range would max it out. |
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 14, 2019 4:09:40 GMT -8
I now see that the "Zen stoves" website even suggests your innovation on their Accessories page ... Yes, not surprising. I made this about 14 years ago and can't remember where I'd seen it. I know for sure the idea didn't originate with me, but I don't know where to give credit either. |
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 14, 2019 4:30:31 GMT -8
How do you like the Pocket Rocket Deluxe compared to the Giga? Trinity, besides being 3/4 oz heavier, the Giga is a slightly antiquated design in terms of efficiency. I quit using it around 12 years ago when the Jetboil appeared. I've used those almost exclusively until now.
I've gone to a Snowpeak Mini Solo Combo, Snowpeak Ti Bowl, and MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe. Just with the Pocket Rocket and Ti pot, I shed 2.6 oz's over my Jetboil Ti, and 3.8 oz's over my Jetboil Sol Al. Even with a windscreen of some sort, this combo is lighter than any Jetboil, and should be equally fuel efficient (or better).
The Jetboil and Pocket Rocket shoot the flame directly up like, well, a jet or rocket  , whereas the Giga spreads its flame around, is more susceptible to wind, and doesn't heat as fast, so is less efficient fuel-wise. However, with an asbestos Bunsen Burner gauze (ala Fletcher) I suspect the Giga is better at actually cooking. I've got a Bunsen gauze, and it really does work, at least with the Svea 123.  |
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Post by gabby on Jun 15, 2019 13:04:01 GMT -8
Yes, not surprising. I made this about 14 years ago and can't remember where I'd seen it. I know for sure the idea didn't originate with me, but I don't know where to give credit either. You still get all the kudos for your post, dude. I wouldn't have seen that on the "Zen stoves" website if I hadn't read your post here and gone out to find an image to illustrate my now ancient rendition of a "foil canister top windscreen" (circa 2004-5), given that mine long ago was crushed (its primary failing). Sometimes we fail to recognize the basic human condition of "discovery", esp. as illustrated with posts hereon: humans don't often make "individual discoveries" to the point that it's almost unheard of, though we seem to think otherwise (Many, if not most, of the inventions and discoveries we know about from "history lessons" occurred in "cluster form" - only the first, or most prominent, are reported by historians (usually).) On that topic, I once read (back in the 70s, I think, when this sort of thinking had its heyday) that we are not what we think we are, and the "physical universe" isn't either. Humans, as a species, become "ripe" for a discovery through the very interaction and discussion (the thing that we think differentiates us from "mere animals", but even that is probably not true) in which we engage, like this forum and those alcohol-laden discussions in the dark (and in bars, etc.) with others. IOW, Edison didn't invent the light bulb, we humans did. We were "ripe" for it, so someone had to "discover" it. I even read once that the "external reality" of the "physical universe" is not so much "discovered" as it is "manifested by itself" once the right conditions are met. I don't know if I really believe this, but I think - at least in the 60s and 70s - that Joseph Chilton Pearce did. Read Pearce: "Exploring the Crack in the Cosmic Egg" for reference - though a good dose of your favorite mind chemical (alcohol-based or whatever) enhances your receptivity. I do go far afield, don't I? :^D |
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 16, 2019 5:14:07 GMT -8
I do go far afield, don't I? :^D LOL, it's all good. I think what we "modern" people struggle with is the reality of the spiritual world, which is infinitely more real than the physical. If you discount that dimension you are left struggling to understand much of life. |
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 16, 2019 9:56:46 GMT -8
Back to the windscreens... those look a lot more effective than what I made by cutting a slit and a hole in the flat part of a disposable pie tin. Still, mine cost nothing and took about 5 minutes to make . I excel at the “quick and dirty” school of gear modifications :D |
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, whereas the Giga spreads its flame around, is more susceptible to wind, and doesn't heat as fast, so is less efficient fuel-wise. However, with an asbestos Bunsen Burner gauze (ala Fletcher) I suspect the Giga is better at actually cooking. 
