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Post by dice on Apr 7, 2018 7:52:55 GMT -8
ok so I've seen this refferanced but have not located many or any decent ones this is what I've complied in an evening. my goal is 3500-4000 calories per 1.5 pound of food or better for a 10 day meal plan, a pound a day would be nice but if your not just drinking olive oil then your probley not gonna get it. soo I've been looking at calories/ounce lately thought I'd share what I've found Eric the blacks blog, before skurka published his PDF and charged 5 bucks a download this information was also on his blog blackwoodspress.com/blog/5521/10-ultralight-backpacking-foods/I thought this was from the adventure allen blog but I'm no longer certain, spread sheet with calorie per gram. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AtlCUMhKPw8PWxZBQwin7wUNtrNK-VNIvjplQW-N9oA/edit#gid=0and this is what I wanted to highlight from the two, all numbers are calorie/ounce, and are more or less rough high end conversions olive oil 250 Macadamia Nut 201 walnut 175 pecan 175 chrunchy peanut buter 175 roasted salted peanut 160 fritos chili cheese 160 fritos 153 naturevalley bars 152 kinda bars 147 peanutbutter m&ms 146 keebler fudge stripes 145 snickers 141 ritz crackers 140 reeses 140 cheezits 140 lara bars 136 oreos double stuff 136 gold fish 130 twix 126 v8 protien bar 120 power bar 117 poptarts 117 builder bars 115 clif bars 111 gatorade powder 103 fiber one bar 98 end of conversion from gram to ounce rough numbers and short cuts used, some are flavour specific like larabar,cliffbar,and poptarts. Used high end values. Peanut 166 almond 160 Cashew 162 craisins 100 banana chip 147 dry dates 79 raisins 85 summer sausage 95 pouch tuna 80 string cheese 80 granola 120 captain crunch 114 lucky charms 116 welches fruit snacks 100 fignewton 100 jerkys 130 end of eric the blacks list, cherry picked. Whey protien came in at 130 calorie per ounce, I cannot tolerate whey the following is my choice subsitute. Life basics plant protien mix at 104 picture included in post Finally I would like to ask for critiques, or additions. My goal is to come up with a 4000 calorie a day meal plan with 100% no cook options that weighs roughly 1.5 pound a day. I have not thrown it together, simply this list thus far to start building it from, I'm sure there are many more options that can be added. a good calorie dense caffine source would be a nice addition as a coffee substitute this was copy pasted from a post I put on some facebook groups, any added information would be awesome so far I found my original idea of a pound of cashews and half a pound of granola would pretty much get me to my goal salt, fiber, protein, calories. also something I eat often at home...pound of cashews for dinner and about half a pound of granola for breakfast...I don't like cooking and I like it less the older I get lol
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Post by zeke on Apr 7, 2018 9:10:31 GMT -8
1.5 #s is 24 ounces. You could eat 24 oz of crunchy p-nut butter, and barely achieve your 4000 cal. Mix in anything for variety and you are way off. I might add that eating so many cashews per day will affect you cathole needs.
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Post by dice on Apr 7, 2018 9:20:23 GMT -8
I am aware of all of those things, got anything new? I found a post you made reffering to a chart you use on calorie / ounce.
again sense thats pretty much my regular diet, I'm quite accauinted with how it comes out, and as long as your getting some sort of fiber recommended 45g per day, your good.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 7, 2018 12:07:16 GMT -8
From the looks of those, Zeke's point it valid: hard to get 4000 calories from 1.5 lbs food, especially if you want to avoid excessive sugar (a lot of those high-calorie things are pretty much all sugar, and won't get you very far). I just did a quick guesstimate about the rice I had on hand in the package--the Trader Joe's blend with brown rice and assorted other seeds. Uncooked, that's 75 cal/oz. I'm assuming cooking and drying it gives about the same weight/calorie ratio, so that won't get there, but you need some complex carbs, too.
I've never figured out how many calories we eat per day, at home or on the trail. I just have a pretty good feel for what will fill us up and keep us moving.
Of course, as old folks our caloric needs are probably lower (since part of being old is not trying to hike so far in a day).
And yeah, I realize that none of these musings is terribly helpful to you. But just looking at the math, I think you'll need to either increase your food weight, or decrease the calorie count. You may be burning 4000+ kc, but over 10 days if you are getting a bit less than that, unless you run very close to an unhealthy low weight all the time, you won't die of the shortage.
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Post by dice on Apr 7, 2018 19:50:20 GMT -8
I understand that I may have to increase the poundage, but I guess what I was hoping for was more food suggestions as this list is pretty limited, and 4000 calorie per 1.5 pound was a goal I had hoped to make, sense thats roughly what I consume on a regular day walking 6 miles feeding table saws 50 pound boards all day, often wearing a camel pak with 10-15 pounds I've found after several kidney stone instances it's the easiest way for me to down a gallon of water a day.
there are tehse "good belly" bars that run roughly 200 calories per ounce but are spendy and I hear taste pretty terrible...as I imagined they would the company claims they supply 33% of your daily nutrients.
I'm looking to hit about 70-90 g protien 3.5-4K carbs and 30-40g fiber a day, the list I worked on for a whole day (by day I mean maybe an hour) leaves my options pretty limited, I've been looking at you tubes and blogs for about 2 years now and food is a pretty overlooked topic I feel.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 7, 2018 22:05:41 GMT -8
Hmm. I think you'll need to go to the nutrition info on food packaging and start working on your own. The lists you have found are clearly an effort to nail some of the highest-calorie foods, but if you think about what you like to eat, you should be able to find into pretty easily. I see you've got info for summer sausages, but not cheddar cheese--that's on the package and may vary by brand.
Some other foods you might check out (again, you'll have to look at nutrition info on the boxes, since I don't have them on hand: *pudding mixes *various cheeses--check for what's got the best ratio *Triscuits are a fairly high-fat cracker; I have a recipe for a high-protein/fat cracker I'll share if you cook *try freeze-dried meats (we were just discussing these on another thread) for least weight for the protein. *Do different nut butters have different nutritional profiles? *Walnuts are good in lots of things, and have a lot to offer.
What do you usually do for meals--just graze on the foods, or prepare (in advance or on the trail) entrees? Some of my best dense dinners are "taco rice" (instant rice and dried meat-and-bean taco filling), hamburger gravy on mashed potatoes, or tuna "casserole" (rice or pasta). I don't have nutrition info on those because I make them myself and haven't ever bothered, so I'm going off what leaves us most stuffed for the longest period.
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Post by zeke on Apr 8, 2018 3:43:37 GMT -8
I aim for 90g of protein per day, and get most of it through tuna and PB. Tuna packet has 18g, but I buy the larger packet that is double that. If I eat tuna with supper, and PB for lunch, I am at about 60g of protein. Rest of my needs must come from snacking. Jerky, nuts, whatever. Not likely to eat 3000 cal even then. I just know I will lose weight every bp trip. As much as 1 pound per day.
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Post by dice on Apr 8, 2018 9:12:52 GMT -8
I try to stay away from dairy I have a slight allergy, wich is why I don't do whey Whey two days in a row liberality makes me have to sleep it off.
I being a light wehight person can't really afford to loose wheight or drop below the 3-4K calorie a day range anythign less starts me metabalising muscle.
I'm the heaviest I've ever been at about 135 pounds, and can squat around 200, and can lift at least 100 over head.
Triscuits I thought I had on the orginal post, I knwo they are on my hand written list
what I have written ontop of my list as a refferance is 1 lb nuts 1/2 granola plus fiber 1 bar and protien powder is 3730 + 300 calorie puts me in range of my goals but thats all trailmix wich we know isn't super awesome lol, yet I eat it often for lunch at work. my idea behind that was to pack for a short trip. Could swap the protien powder for jerky or tuna I'm sure
playing with the numbers I know what zeke stated that any amount of variety would drop your calories by a lot, simply even averaging out the nuts calories per pound macadamia peanut almond cashew pecan and walnut you end up with 2770 calorie per pound
macadamia come in at 3216 (redicoulusly exspensive something like 2 dollars an ounce locally) for the high end and almonds at the low end of 2560 cashews at 2592 roughly a 17.00 dollars a pound
long ago I was eating a loaf of bread (as sandwiches) a pizza a subway sub a pot of coffee with creamer 6-8 eggs and 3 cups of veggies a day while kayaking 6 miles a day and walking a mile with the 30 pound boat and was still metabalising muscle couldn't get over 126 pounds in two years. work was also more labor intensive at the time.
basically the reason for brining this up the wheight of food is a double edged sword.
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Post by Magnus B. on Apr 10, 2018 6:38:52 GMT -8
All I have to add is an error on the list that I noticed. Olive oil and Mac. nut oil have the exact same caloric content by weight, and volume. As do grapeseed oil, and peanut oil...
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Post by dice on Apr 10, 2018 8:27:56 GMT -8
All I have to add is an error on the list that I noticed. Olive oil and Mac. nut oil have the exact same caloric content by weight, and volume. As do grapeseed oil, and peanut oil... maybe nut oils are close to olive oil but I'm certain nuts themselves do not have the same caloric content, over the past two years I found nothing on labels or blogs that would suggest nuts come that close to the olive oil caloric content
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Post by zeke on Apr 10, 2018 8:38:14 GMT -8
Reading the labels of various oils in my grocery this morning, I discovered toasted sesame oil was slightly higher in calories than EVOO.
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Post by joevogel on Apr 10, 2018 13:07:12 GMT -8
I used to really stress about getting my food ultra calorie dense, taking only food that was over 150 calories per oz. with a goal of close to 4000 calories in 1.5 lbs. I have discovered that it is far more enjoyable to relax on density of food and put that effort into creating food that is enjoyable and moderately calorie dense.
My goal now is more than 100 calories per oz. and 2 lbs per day. It is a much easier goal to hit. I also really enjoy a hot breakfast and dinner so a non cook set up is not my preference. Most of my food items come in at 120-130 calories per oz. now.
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Post by joevogel on Apr 10, 2018 13:09:14 GMT -8
on another note sesame seeds are an amazingly calorie dense food item. I make a bar with sesame seeds, some peanut butter and honey coming in at around 200 calories per oz.
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Post by dice on Apr 10, 2018 13:25:26 GMT -8
I used to really stress about getting my food ultra calorie dense, taking only food that was over 150 calories per oz. with a goal of close to 4000 calories in 1.5 lbs. I have discovered that it is far more enjoyable to relax on density of food and put that effort into creating food that is enjoyable and moderately calorie dense. My goal now is more than 100 calories per oz. and 2 lbs per day. It is a much easier goal to hit. I also really enjoy a hot breakfast and dinner so a non cook set up is not my preference. Most of my food items come in at 120-130 calories per oz. now. I mean thats great, this topic is with a 10 day no resupply trip I have in mind so I'm trying to fine tune it, get something that will work for that and get me my calories, I know I'm not going to function if I drop below my normal daily number of calories. For instance last night I whent to bed with an 1100 calorie dinner and woke up ravenous, something they tell you would make a normal person fat to do regularily...it does indeed not make me fat lol. For you it may no longer be much of a concern but I know for me it will start setting off migraines and just overall sluggishness and I will tire far to quickly, for someone with under 10% body fat, it can be an issue. now on a weekend trip the 100-130/oz calorie mark is useually what I shoot for.typically I just grab a bunch of mountain house I got on sale and take those for my food for just a weekend. also I wouldn't mind that recipie if your willing to share sounds tasty
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