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Post by cweston on Jun 30, 2017 4:55:40 GMT -8
Quick backstory: in the last couple years (today is my 53rd birthday), I've had more trouble than ever before with altitude sickness. I just returned from a trip to the Sangres where I had to bag my plan to cross Milwaukee Pass (13,500) because of vomiting and inability to eat, even though the loop I had planned gained very little elevation in day 1, and my first camp was only at about 9,000 ft.
I need to develop a new plan, which, ideally, of course, would involve a couple days of easy acclimatization before beginning a hike, but that's often not possible from a time perspective.
Are there folks here who use Diamox? What are your thoughts/experiences?
Also, is it normal for one's ability to adapt to higher altitude to change? I've always struggled with lack of appetite and just general bonkedness the first couple days of a high elevation trip, but it's much more extreme now. And, aside from being older, my general health and conditioning level hasn't changed. (I.e., when I push myself very hard physically at home, I get bonked, but I don't vomit, feel queasy, lose appetite, etc.)
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Post by Westy on Jun 30, 2017 5:16:07 GMT -8
Have had Diamox in kit, but never used. This happened to my partner last year, as his home is a few miles from Puget Sound. He would not eat or drink properly no matter how encouraging I was. Perhaps a modified backpacking strategy based on the mountaineering technique of climb high, sleep low. So maybe establishing a base camp for a few days and doing day hikes to higher altitudes or peakbagging might be an option until you feel acclimatized.
You can also be medically tested, with O2 testing on a treadmill to determine your natural acclimatization bandwidth. Good luck and sorry to hear of your situation.
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Post by absarokanaut on Jun 30, 2017 13:20:04 GMT -8
I gave it to a few different clients when guiding and it did quite well. It is in my kit too. On the Ranch at 8,000' when someone "bonks" it's almost always on their second full day. Alcohol of course exascerbates everyhthing.
Even though I live at over 6,000' I feel it when I hit 11,700' or so and did when I lived on the Ranch too. I really slow down, even out my breathing, drink more water, frequent rest, etc.
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Post by johnnyray on Jun 30, 2017 13:26:44 GMT -8
Never used it myself bit have had different experiences at higher altitudes, sometimes it gets me, headache and totally gassed other times not so much, don't really know why. Happy Birthday BTW.
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 30, 2017 19:43:07 GMT -8
A friend of our has had poor results. When she used it, the side effects were so similar to altitude sickness that she might as well have skipped it. So I guess I'd be hesitant, but it does work for many people, so worth experimenting if you routinely have trouble.
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Post by speacock on Jul 1, 2017 4:22:08 GMT -8
I have Chyne-Stokes syndrome over 10,000'. This means I can sleep for about as long as I can hold my breath. Goes away after three days or so. Scares the bejeebies out of my wife when I quit breathing. Diamox fixes it. If you have trouble sleeping the first few days at altitude it might be related. It is a variation on sleep apnea - in this case altitude induced. I don't have sleep apnea otherwise, but if I want to get some sleep the first few days at altitude, I take diamox. When it comes to personal reaction to altitude adaptation everybody varies. It also varies from time to time, meaning that what affected you last time might not reoccur. And, so I am told, it is dependent upon age, but not so well defined to be predicted. It is a sulfa drug, and some hikers are allergic to the chemicals. Your doc should ask questions before they write an Rx. It is also at times prescribed for epilepsy. Just make sure you are not double dosing. It is a diuretic, which means that you will have to increase your water intake - and unscheduled trips at night too.
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Post by JRinGeorgia on Jul 1, 2017 4:25:06 GMT -8
I just got a script for some for a trip in a couple of weeks, as I've always struggled with adjusting to altitude. Yes, one's ability to acclimatize can change over time, but the trend typically is to become better at adapting with age, not worse, but each person is different.
The things I've been warned about are that diamox is a diuretic so will cause you to lose even more fluid than you otherwise would so staying hydrated is that much more important. Also, if diamox does help you at altitude, apparently when you stop taking it the AMS can then hit you even if you've been at altitude for a few days -- the diamox supplements your ability so your body doesn't naturally adapt.
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Post by ErnieW on Jul 1, 2017 6:32:20 GMT -8
From WebMD:
To prevent altitude sickness, start taking acetazolamide 1 to 2 days before you start to climb. Continue taking it while you are climbing and for at least 48 hours after you have reached your final altitude. You may need to continue taking this medication while staying at the high altitude to control your symptoms.
I'll bet a lot of people are using it once symptoms start occurring. Some stopping if symptoms subside. This may skew anecdotal effectiveness reports because they're not using it correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 6:47:29 GMT -8
I feel your pain.
On my last trip to the Pecos Wilderness, I spent a night camping at Villanueva State Park (6100'), and day hiking there and at Pecos National Historic Park (6880') before beginning my hike up Beatty's Trail, expressly to acclimate. Also car camped at Panchuela.
It did help, as on my previous trip, I felt pretty awful at Pecos Baldy Lake, but did okay up Chimayosos this time.
And I did enjoy the hiking at both Villanueva and Pecos NHP.
Happy birthday!
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Post by hikinggods on Jul 2, 2017 6:30:40 GMT -8
I don't use it for day hikes (unless I'm climbing a 14er), but always use it for overnighters where I will be over 12,000 most of the time. I find it very effective and don't notice any side effects. My husband has started to need it too: after a 3 day trip that never dropped below 12,000 feet where he suffered from nausea/headache he started using it, too.
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Post by speacock on Jul 2, 2017 17:30:45 GMT -8
Oh, Yeah! It changes the taste of carbonated beverages - umm such as beer.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Jul 5, 2017 5:21:24 GMT -8
Tried it once, and I won't be using it again. The side effects were minor but annoying, and the only time I've suffered from altitude sickness was the time I took Diamox.
Just start drinking lots of water 24-48 hours before your trip, and keep drinking lots of it while at altitude. ***I cannot overstate the importance of this***
I tend to lose my appetite at altitude, so I'll snack rather than eat large meals. If I'm going to eat a meal, it will be at dinner, after I've done all my hiking for the day. And the snacks tend to be simple foods. The first couple of days, my diet consists of a lot of gummy life savers, sour patch kids, and other candies. Maybe a protein bar at lunch. As I acclimate, I can add "heavier" and healthier foods.
ETA - Many times, I'll wake up early, eat a decent-sized breakfast (dehydrated meal, etc), and go back to sleep for an hour or two. By the time I break camp, my breakfast has been digested and I can hike without feeling weighed-down / queasy.
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Post by cweston on Jul 5, 2017 6:43:33 GMT -8
Just start drinking lots of water 24-48 hours before your trip, and keep drinking lots of it while at altitude. *** I cannot overstate the importance of this*** Yup: I've always done this, but next trip, I plan to redouble my dedication to pre-hydration. That sounds very familiar--the sugary candies are the thing I can most handle eating the first couple days. That and really simple crackers like goldfish or cheese-its. My biggest issue these last couple trips was weakness on the trail (due to eating little meaningful food and puking up what I did eat)--in both of the last two trips, I had to alter the plan due to not making enough progress in the early days to have sufficient confidence that I could do the rest of the planned trip within the given window of time. So, for the next trip (later this month), I'm planning it around being able to do everything "right": an extra acclimation day (with a moderate day hike) before the BP begins, climb high/sleep low for the first couple days, moderate mileage requirements in the first couple days, etc. I'll make a conscious effort to pre-hydrate more, carry more of the foods I seem to be able to eat more easily, and so on. If that works out alright, I know what the blueprint is going forward. If not, then I guess trying Diamox might be the next step. It sure was easier when I lived in Seattle and the spectacular alpine high country was at 6,000 feet!
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Post by burntfoot on Jul 5, 2017 9:41:43 GMT -8
I'm in the same camp as walkswithblackflies. The first time I went to the Himalayas, I brought Diamox with me. I started taking it one day before my scramble up to 19,000 feet. But, side effects were not good. When I'd stand up too quickly, I'd get a wave of dizziness and have to sit down. I looked at the bottle, and found that to be a common side effect. So, why take diamox at all? was my question. Plus, that night I got up 19 times to pee. So, I stopped taking it.
I went on one more trek that season, and returned 2 years later to live for a year in Ladakh in India. During that year, I got up to 19,000 feet a few times, and 20,000 feet twice. Without diamox. What worked for me was staying hydrated. I always had my altimeter, and ALWAYS drank water after every 100 meters of vertical elevation gain - whether I was thirsty or not. And, above a certain elevation, I always slowed my pace, and doubled my breathing rate. The only time I felt the effects of altitude was the time I forgot to drink enough. So, maybe some kind of regimen with water consumption and increased breathing rate may be good for you. I am close to your age.
By the way, I liked your thread about Milwaukee Pass and those other hikers and the need to turn back. I've had times I've had to turn back. The hardest for me was turning back a quarter mile from the summit of Kings Peak in Utah, after a 15-mile approach. But, there was a lightning storm coming in quick.
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Post by cweston on Jul 5, 2017 10:41:38 GMT -8
By the way, I liked your thread about Milwaukee Pass and those other hikers and the need to turn back. I've had times I've had to turn back. The hardest for me was turning back a quarter mile from the summit of Kings Peak in Utah, after a 15-mile approach. But, there was a lightning storm coming in quick. Thanks. We talk a lot about what skills, gear, and abilities are needed to enjoy backpacking. We probably don't talk enough about how important decision-making ability is on that list. Anyone who has ever watched one of those hyperdramatic Everest movies knows the critical importance of knowing when it is too late in the day, or the weather is wrong, or you're too weak, or whatever, to go for the summit. We all need to hone those kinds of decision-making skills. When I go solo, that's part of the deal with my wife. She doesn't freak out too much, and I agree to make conservative decisions. It's also important to talk about the fact that hunger, dehydration, exhaustion, hypothermia, extreme sun-exposure, and altitude sickness (all common to some extent on BPing trips) all *directly* affect decision-making ability to some extent. This is why preset benchmarks can be an important part of good decision-making.
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