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Post by swimswithtrout on Jun 29, 2017 6:27:41 GMT -8
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Post by Lamebeaver on Jun 29, 2017 6:39:44 GMT -8
The Capital Lake area was a zoo 20 years ago. I hate fees and permits, but I think they may be necessary for these areas.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Jun 29, 2017 6:59:08 GMT -8
Damn. Should gotten out there while I had the chance.
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Post by msdoolittle on Jun 29, 2017 7:10:34 GMT -8
You still can, you just have to get a permit and pay a fee.  I heard on NPR this morning, while cleaning the area around Conundrum Hot Springs, they filled a garbage bag full of human waste.  This is unfortunate, but necessary. |
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Post by Campfires&Concierges on Jun 29, 2017 7:12:23 GMT -8
Gross! Hopefully permits and fees will fund more ranger patrol and keep crowds down at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 14:02:13 GMT -8
No new taxes.
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Post by Hungry Jack on Jun 29, 2017 18:52:12 GMT -8
That will keep the riffraff out.
Seriously, no problem with fees and permits for an area getting too much use.
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Post by hikerjer on Jun 29, 2017 19:41:20 GMT -8
It's a user fee. Different animal. |
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Post by johntpenca on Jun 29, 2017 20:08:24 GMT -8
Meh. Sorry to see it happen, but if the fees actually go where they say, it might be worthwhile. Permits and fees are the norm in Cali. Sucks to pay to visit "Public" land tho.
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 29, 2017 21:31:00 GMT -8
I'm only surprised it didn't come sooner. We were in there quite a few years back, and the crowds were stupid. Permits become necessary to control numbers, and if you are having to issue permits and patrol, that costs, so you have to charge. It's still ridiculously cheap compared to a Motel 6 in the bad part of town. It's just the hassle I mind.
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Post by burntfoot on Jun 30, 2017 11:38:14 GMT -8
I hope they monitor things. A fee for use is good, but only if enforced. The types that would leave bags of waste behind are the same kind that would try to sneak in without the reservation and fee. So, enforcement and fines for those not abiding by the rules is what I favor.
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Post by absarokanaut on Jun 30, 2017 13:03:28 GMT -8
I am all for permits to keep usage sane, just don't like fees for entering public land [day use] and primitive camping because that simply prices out the least fortunate of us and discourages parents from getting kids out there and developing respect and reverence for our public lands. Fees destroy the "benefit of all."
I've siad it before; cancel one F22 Raptor and you get all the entrance fees for two years to National Parks, etc. Entrance fees are doodley sqwat when it comes to funding our public lands.
Developed sites like campgrounds? Sure.
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 30, 2017 15:46:46 GMT -8
cancel one F22 Raptor and you get all the entrance fees for two years to National Parks, etc. It would be great if the gov't would do that. Since they show no signs of wanting to adequately fund the NPS/Forest Service, programs that cost money (like regulating back-country use) will continue to charge fees. I still think that the $5-20 that one usually pays for permits is unlikely to stop anyone who can afford the gas to get the TH, and some gear to camp with. |
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Post by bass on Jul 2, 2017 4:00:35 GMT -8
discourages parents from getting kids out there and developing respect and reverence for our public lands. Fees destroy the "benefit of all." Well said. Those kids will grow up to be voters who will view the parks as "playgrounds for the rich". And some may see selling the park lands as a way to get revenue and reduce taxes. So we need to think about this carefully. The more we move to support the parks with user fees, the more the politicians can reduce taxpayer funding by saying that the parks are funded by user fees. So the fees have to increase to make up for reduced taxpayer funding. We lose more political support for taxpayer funding each time we support a new user fee or an increase in user fees. And at some point those kids from less wealthy families who we priced out of park visitations will become voters who never had a chance to develop respect and reverence for our public lands. Something to think about. |
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