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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 12:36:40 GMT -8
I'd like to share with you what my father shared with me....
Don't finance over 15 years. If you can't afford the payments on a 15 year fixed, then you've got to much house.
I told my children the same thing....they didn't listen....had to have the big house....so far it's been manageable for them, (I guess).....I paid mine off in 9 years....paying off a house makes you feel like a new man.....I highly recommend you do the same thing.
Well, 30 years is a long time....lots of things can happen.....plan for those unknowns as best you can....save your money, you'll need it....again....don't over buy just because you can.
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Post by autumnmist on Jun 9, 2017 15:39:01 GMT -8
More thoughts....if you have children you might want to check the sex offender registry. Even if you don't, you might want to check the register of deeds to get names of your neighbors, then do a litigation and/or criminal check on them. When I moved in the latter wasn't possible online. After the court clerk's records were online, I checked and found out that a neighbor who was problematic had drug charges filed against him all the way back to the early 1980s.
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 9, 2017 19:03:03 GMT -8
I'd like to share with you what my father shared with me.... Don't finance over 15 years. If you can't afford the payments on a 15 year fixed, then you've got to much house. I told my children the same thing....they didn't listen....had to have the big house....so far it's been manageable for them, (I guess).....I paid mine off in 9 years....paying off a house makes you feel like a new man.....I highly recommend you do the same thing. Well, 30 years is a long time....lots of things can happen.....plan for those unknowns as best you can....save your money, you'll need it....again....don't over buy just because you can. If you're disciplined you can pay off a 30 year mortgage in 15 years or under... the old, add $100 a month towards principle rule. Not that hard, and a safer loan than a 15 year loan should a change in your financial circumstances occur.
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Post by daveg on Jun 9, 2017 20:43:10 GMT -8
Building on what others have mentioned:
Remember that the seller's agent represents the seller's interest. For most buyers, getting an agent who represents their interest is advisable.
When figuring out what you can afford, my rule of thumb is that, in addition to mortgage payments, the annual cost of ownership will be approximately four to five percent of the purchase price -- (the total annual cost of maintenance and repairs; property taxes; utilities; homeowner's, mortgage, and other insurances; Home Owner Association fees, etc). Ask to see utility bills for the house. Check to see that you can obtain all the insurances you need and find out the cost. I have a friend who has been unable to sell a house because it is on a flood plain. His flood insurance rates are low but potential buyers have discovered their rates would be very high (over $5,000 per year) which has squelched all deals.
Find out all the limits on using the property -- restrictive covenants, HOA rules, zoning and other ordinances, etc. Whether they are good or bad depends upon one's perspective. But you don't want to discover later that you can't use the property in a way that is important to you.
Make sure there are no clouds on the title. If the address is covered by title insurance, the lender will probably require that you get it (and if not required, get it anyway). If title insurance is not available, hire a good real estate attorney to do a title search to make sure there are no liens, security interests, or other problems with the title.
Think about whose name(s) will be on your title and, if more than one name/owner, the type of estate (ownership) you want, e.g., joint tenancy, tenancy in common.
Read the purchase agreement and other documents you will be asked to sign. If you don't understand what they are saying, ask someone to explain it to you. At the closing, you'll be given one document after another in rapid succession and asked to sign them. If you haven't read them before, do so then and don't be pressured to just sign so you can get the closing over quickly. Once you sign, you are obligated by the terms of the document even if you didn't read or understand it.
Consider asking the seller to obtain (and pay for) for a home warranty. They typically cover major repairs for a period of one year.
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Post by foxalo on Jun 10, 2017 5:40:47 GMT -8
I'll add my two cents about building too. We've never built, but we bought a brand new spec home. That may have been my favorite house, just because if the layout and quality. The problem with buying new, it's that not only have you spent full asking price (they rarely take lower than asking price on new construction), but you also have to buy all the things that typically are in existing homes, such as toilet paper holders, towel bars, blinds. All that right there adds up to a few thousand more.
Build only if you plan to live in that house for awhile. You get what you want and your equity grows. When we decide to retire, it'll be to downsize and get our dream home with everything we want. Our current house is by no means our dream home, but when we looked, it had most of what we wanted and needed at the time. Since then, we've made it our own by adding stuff, remodeling certain rooms. We've now got a house we mostly love, but when the time comes, it'll need a very specific buyer. That could hurt or help us.
And yes, go with 15-year mortgage. And refinance if rates drop. I think we've refinanced three times in 7 years. It's tedious but worth it. Pay more each month on any mortgage if you can.
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 10, 2017 5:42:11 GMT -8
I'm curious (since I did it and actually enjoyed the process), who would you say should build a custom house? I've only bought one house, and had it built custom. I still don't think I could have bought a comparable existing place "off the shelf" for the amount I paid for the land+architect+builder (although this was in 1994-1996 that I did it). Most people want to move in asap so aren't really candidates for the 1 yr+ process building usually involves. There are so many variables... a lot of it has to do with one's own personality type, quality of the General Contractor, stability of the local labor market, overall scope and cost of the project. Building a simple home, with modest finishes, in a low cost area, with a stable labor market, in a stable materials market, in a community with modest restrictions is a snap. There is "custom" and there is "CUSTOM." Building in my area, at this point, is a real challenge. Ground costs, labor costs, materials costs, are all climbing steeply and rapidly. If I give a customer an estimate in December, and we break ground in April, costs could have gone up 2 or 3%! Also, HGTV has hurt building as much as it has helped it... everyone around here building a 500K house really wants a house that costs 8000K, and so on upward...
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Post by bradmacmt on Jun 10, 2017 5:49:34 GMT -8
And yes, go with 15-year mortgage. And refinance if rates drop. I think we've refinanced three times in 7 years. It's tedious but worth it. Pay more each month on any mortgage if you can Obviously you realize that it costs a fair bit every time you refinance... those are costs you'll never recover. You may not "feel" them because they're typically rolled back into the new loan with a new, lower monthly payment, but they're there... I still think a 15 year loan is absolutely not for everyone.
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Post by autumnmist on Jun 10, 2017 8:27:28 GMT -8
HGTV has hurt building as much as it has helped it... everyone around here building a 500K house really wants a house that costs 8000K, and so on upward... So very true, unfortunately. HGTV has I think done more to hurt the real estate market than help it by creating totally unrealistic desires, enunciated by equally unrealistic buyers with standard complaints (not granite, not stainless steel, ONLY 1 BATH???!!!) - not everyone wants to be tied down to those high profile, sometimes high maintenance houses (especially the bath maintenance).
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Post by johnnyray on Jun 10, 2017 14:21:55 GMT -8
A home inspector is not a bad idea and not the nephew of the realtor who conviently hsppens to be a home inspector. Work done off permit like a finished basement, kitchen, or bathroom remodels can be a nightmare with regards to bad electrical or plumbing even structural changes. You also want to know about lead paint and asbestos which should be disclosed prior to purchase. Bla, bla, bla, how old is the roof, do all the windows operate. Maybe buy a book for first time home owners.
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Post by foxalo on Jun 10, 2017 16:59:28 GMT -8
bradmacmt We haven't gotten where we are by being stupid. We don't refinance without doing homework. And refinancing from a 30 to 15 isn't a bad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 3:37:26 GMT -8
bradmacmt We haven't gotten where we are by being stupid. We don't refinance without doing homework. And refinancing from a 30 to 15 isn't a bad thing. A thirty year loan cost significantly more over the term of the loan....do the math. Also, on most 15 year loans, you're only upside down for a couple of years and then you start building equity....with a thirty year note it's usually about 8 years before you start building equity.....depending, of course, on how much you put down.....the more the better.... So, if you have to sell in the first 8 years, it becomes much more difficult.....remember, it's cost plus the 6% commission......so IMO, the way to protect yourself, is to get in to a positive equity situation as fast as you can, just in case you find yourself in must sell situation. 8 years is a long time to be upside down on a home loan....if you don't have cash, it becomes almost impossible to sell should the need arise...
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Post by Hungry Jack on Jun 11, 2017 17:47:41 GMT -8
If you are patient, find a house that is cosmetically deficient but structurally sound. Cosmetic upgrades are generally easy, and you get to choose your finishes! Roof age and condition is key. Furnace and AC age very important. Are there thermal windows, or single paned rattling wooden sashes? On masonry, look for signs of moisture that leaves a chalky residue on exterior brick. Look for water damage on drywall under bathrooms.
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Post by sarbar on Jun 12, 2017 12:15:27 GMT -8
Home aside, don't forget one key thing: Look at the area. Get outside, walk around. If you are on FB and there is a community page, ask about the area. If it has an HOA, find out is it conservative? Is it progressive? See the CCR's and actually read them. HOA's are not necessarily evil - and most modern developments have them - for good reason - the local towns and cities can dump all their work onto them. I am the president of ours and I run a progressive ship - we have a property mgmt company contracted, but I keep a tight eye on them. When we were looking at homes, before our last move, we had a neighbor come over and warn us to NOT buy there. It was in an area where 4 developers built, and each section had its own HOA (different price points as you went up a hill). The HOA's were in a court battle - and still are, 5 years later. It was so nasty that they had to keep raising dues to pay for it. In our HOA we have over 2 years surplus in the bank, and lowered dues last year, with all projects done. Look for financially responsible, with younger people on the board, not just retired folks who treat it as their fiefdom. Ask people do they get stupid letters? Are people anal? Even in town, with no HOA, the city workers can be the exact same way, so ask. Make sure the area reflects you and your lifestyle. If you have kids, move where there are kids. If you want to rip out your front lawn and do permaculture, make sure you can, not in a neighborhood full of Round-Up lovers!
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Post by cajun on Jun 16, 2017 20:42:07 GMT -8
I bought a new construction turnkey house last October. I was able to pick all the finishes, paints, brick, shingles, granite, etc without the headache of having plans drawn, getting a construction loan, etc. The best part is thatsince my closing date, the property has increased in value by almost 20%, so I suddenly have almost 40% equity.
As for the 15 yr / 30 yr argument, I'm in the 30 year camp. I got an interest rate less than 3.5% last year, and I hope to pay it off in 15 years or less, but I have the flexibility of the lower 30 yr note if I need it.
Also consider resale value: I would like to have gotten a 2BR house, but nobody builds them around here because there's no market for them.
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Post by bass on Jun 18, 2017 3:21:44 GMT -8
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