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Post by zeke on May 9, 2017 7:29:11 GMT -8
As expected, if you are poor and have limited access to medical facilities, your life expectancy will be definitively less. This story confirms it. Residents of poor counties with bad medical access will live shorter lives.
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Post by RumiDude on May 9, 2017 9:52:34 GMT -8
if you are poor ... your life expectancy will be definitively less. Here is a video with info that backs that up. Residents of poor counties with bad medical access will live shorter lives. Access to health care doesn't seem to be the main issue with life expectancy. Rumi
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Post by Lamebeaver on May 9, 2017 9:54:44 GMT -8
I'm guessing it will take a few years for the reality of the relatively recent obesity epidemic to catch up with the projections. That may start shifting back towards yellow again.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 10:10:40 GMT -8
Illustrates well the principle
"Correlation does not imply causation"
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Post by kenv on May 9, 2017 10:32:14 GMT -8
Hmmmm. If you believe such life expectancy statistics, then Obamacare has caused 80,000 more deaths. Still want to go there?
Fact is hygiene is the biggest driver of life expectancy. The second driver is life style (as in what and how much you consume, exercise, etc). Gender is a significant driver. (and that would be genetic gender, not chosen gender.) Health care is a ways down on the list of drivers. And note the wealth is often a big driver of lifestyle and may influence hygiene.
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Post by rebeccad on May 9, 2017 10:36:04 GMT -8
I'm guessing it will take a few years for the reality of the relatively recent obesity epidemic to catch up with the projections. That may start shifting back towards yellow again. But the discrepancy by income and region will remain, because obesity is much more common among the poor and less well educated. Along, of course, with smoking. Vaccinations are a different matter: there are pockets of people who are well-educated and ought to know better who don't want to vaccinate. CA has smoothed that out some with new requirements, but it's more likely to be the rich who go to the effort of fighting that.
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Post by RumiDude on May 9, 2017 11:47:59 GMT -8
Hmmmm. If you believe such life expectancy statistics Numbers are what they are, whether or not you "believe" them. One is less than two, etc. Fact is hygiene is the biggest driver of life expectancy. I am not sure exactly what you are referencing here. I do know that clean water and waste management, which are related to one another, are huge factors in developing countries, i.e, wells and flush toilets. But in 21st Century USA, those are not factors, unless you live in Flint, MI. Gender is a significant driver. (and that would be genetic gender, not chosen gender.) Gender is NOT the same as biological sex. Merriam-Webster defines it as "the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex". So yes, biological females do tend to live longer but the gap is rapidly closing, suggesting it is not so much biologically driven but lifestyle driven. Health care is a ways down on the list of drivers. And note the wealth is often a big driver of lifestyle and may influence hygiene. Lifestyle is a big factor with life expectancy in the US. And they found that places where the government promoted healthier lifestyles that people lived longer. See here.
From that link: “Even with income inequality as big as it is, there are things that government can do to help the poor be healthier and live longer lives,” said Dr. Thomas Farley, who was New York’s health commissioner during the Bloomberg administration and now runs Philadelphia’s health department. “It’s about combating the things that are killing people.”
The findings underscore public health research showing that healthy habits matter. The JAMA paper found that several measures of access to medical care had no clear relationship with longevity among the poor. But there were correlations with smoking, exercise and obesity.
“There remains this misconception in our society that health is determined by health care,” said Dr. Steven Woolf, a professor and director of the Center on Society and Health at Virginia Commonwealth University, who wrote an editorial commending the research but offering some methodological criticisms. “Behaviors have a huge influence on health outcomes.”Rumi
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Post by hikingtiger on May 9, 2017 13:10:45 GMT -8
Numbers are what they are, whether or not you "believe" them. One is less than two, etc. E.g., 2 + 2 = 5, for really large values of 2.
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