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Post by bass on Apr 26, 2017 15:36:08 GMT -8
I am especially careful this time of year. I sometimes wear snake boots or leggings when boondocking in very thick areas. I always wear tall boots and either long pants or zip off pants - even when on good trails. Rattlesnakes and copperheads are just very hard to see. They are easier to spot on a good trail. Can You Spot The Snake In This Photo?
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Post by texasbb on Apr 26, 2017 15:58:00 GMT -8
I grew up in copperhead country, and can relate to that picture! I had a few close calls.
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 26, 2017 17:46:47 GMT -8
That took a lot of spotting. Once located, it seems to jump out at me, but I looked a long time.
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Post by foxalo on Apr 26, 2017 19:03:13 GMT -8
I've had neighbors see copperheads on their front porches here, and then there are the neighbors who mistake rat snakes for copperheads and kill them. I have never seen one on any of my hikes, nor have I ever seen a rattlesnake. I hope I never do. It's one reason I never listen to music when I hike. I like to be aware of any little noise when I'm out in the woods.
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Post by Hungry Jack on Apr 26, 2017 19:39:49 GMT -8
We were taught to fear copperheads at summer camp in the Ozarks during my youth.
How dangerous are they. Can their bites be lethal?
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 26, 2017 20:01:05 GMT -8
From Wikipedia on copperheads:
Although venomous, these snakes are generally not aggressive and bites are rarely fatal.[citation needed] Copperhead venom has an estimated lethal dose of around 100 mg, and tests on mice show its potency is among the lowest of all pit vipers, and slightly weaker than that of its close relative, the cottonmouth.[citation needed] Copperheads often employ a "warning bite" when stepped on or agitated and inject a relatively small amount of venom, if any at all. "Dry bites" involving no venom are particularly common with the copperhead, though all pit vipers are capable of a dry bite.[citation needed]
Rattlesnakes:
Rattlesnake are the leading contributor to snakebite injuries in North America. However, rattlesnakes rarely bite unless provoked or threatened; if treated promptly the bites are seldom fatal.
The description of the venom sounds frightening:
The venom is hemotoxic, destroying tissue, causing necrosis and coagulopathy (disrupted blood clotting). In the U.S., the tiger rattlesnake (C. tigris) and some varieties of the Mojave rattlesnake (C. scutulatus) also have a presynaptic neurotoxic venom component known as Mojave type A toxin, which can cause severe paralysis. Although it has a comparatively low venom yield, the venom toxicity of C. tigris is considered to be among the highest of all rattlesnake venoms, and among the highest of all snakes in the Western Hemisphere based on LD50 studies conducted on laboratory mice. C. scutulatus is also widely regarded as producing one of the most toxic snake venoms in the Americas, based on LD50 studies in laboratory mice.
There are rattlesnakes around here where I hike. I used to think I didn't have to be afraid of them since they probably won't kill you and are fairly rare until I saw this show on bite victims. They didn't die but had these tennis ball sized divots in their calves where the tissue died. Yuck. Now I fear them.
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Post by cloudwalker on Apr 26, 2017 21:43:58 GMT -8
Dead Center.
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Post by bikehikefish on Apr 27, 2017 5:43:06 GMT -8
Yep, not common, but enough to make me watch for them. Google "copperhead deaths in Missouri" and you will find a few.
Seems like most bites result from a moron picking one up, although I know a guy that was bit on the ankle, just walking down a path a night. He survived, but was very sick for a long time.
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Post by hikingtiger on Apr 27, 2017 8:59:31 GMT -8
water mocassins are downright belligerent. Yep.
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Post by Campfires&Concierges on Apr 27, 2017 9:49:09 GMT -8
Snake boots?!
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Post by bass on Apr 27, 2017 10:32:05 GMT -8
Yes. They aren't as heavy as you would think. Mine lace up to just below my knee. I wear them when in thick palmetto or brush. But they are heavier - and hotter - than my 10 inch hiking boots. Although the best bet is to avoid prickly pears - mine have saved me more than once. snake boots
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Post by texasbb on Apr 27, 2017 10:54:13 GMT -8
Copperheads are pretty docile. To the point that getting bit on the butt when about to sit on them is recorded. Rattlers can be aggresive and water mocassins are downright belligerent. They ain't so docile when they're molting and you step right over the top of them. This I know. And their usual lack of aggressiveness isn't necessarily a good thing. Instead of running away or taking a defensive stance, either of which would at least alert an innocent human, they like to freeze position, just daring you to become a guilty human by stepping on them. But moccasins, yeah, the only snake I've ever seen that will follow you.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Apr 27, 2017 12:17:56 GMT -8
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Post by gabby on Apr 27, 2017 13:54:17 GMT -8
I grew up in south Texas, way out in the country. Yes, I saw a lot of rattlesnakes, but there were also copperheads and corals lurking in the area around the chicken coop. The cottonmouth moccasins lived around the cattle watering tank about a mile from the house. The cattle would walk into the water, leaving foot to a foot and a half "postholes" in the mud around the tank. The cottonmouths would crawl into a still wet hole and rest. When we kids went to the tank to fish, we had to watch for inhabited holes or fish off the dirt plug dam, which was some 6 feet above water level.
I had no more luck than anyone else, I suspect, finding that snake in the picture. In my experience, you stay away from low bushes and piles of leaves unless you probe them first with a stick. The eyes are the organ the snake's camouflage is intended to fool.
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Post by johnnyray on Apr 27, 2017 17:07:18 GMT -8
Really had to expand the photo, brilliant camouflage.
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