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Post by cweston on Mar 22, 2017 19:18:57 GMT -8
On my way out to the car from an overnight hike today...It was in the low 50s and overcast (great hiking weather). I was wearing my standard shorts and tech T-shirt, with a wind shirt over that I no longer needed, but I was almost back to the car and didn't bother taking it off. Coming the other way was a large family group carrying overnight packs. (They had travelled less than a mile from the car at this point.)
They looked like they were dressed for winter: heavy long pants, heavy insulated jackets. I wouldn't be able to hike 100 yards dressed like that in temps in the 50s without completely sweating everything out. I wouldn't be dressed like that on the trail unless it was (well) below freezing.
I don't generally BP in winter, so I NEVER hike in any sort of insulated jacket. Anything 55 or above and I'm perfectly happy in my shorts and tech T-shirt. When I dayhike in the 30s or 40s I wear a merino base layer with a wind shirt over (with hat and gloves).
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Post by hikerjer on Mar 22, 2017 19:47:37 GMT -8
At first, I thought this was going to be a comment about a trip to Walmart. I hear you but I'm just as amazed by people who go into the backcountry on the other end the spectrum - that is totally unprepared for bad weather. For instance, in late Fall of last year, I did the hike to the top of Angel's Lading in Zion. I couldn't believe all the people, especially young people, who had nothing more than shorts, t-shirt and a water bottle. Granted it was a nice day, but the weather, as we all know, can change in a minute in the mountains. Had it gotten colder and started to rain, these folks wold have been in trouble. I alway carry enough clothing for spending a night out in the worst weather that I might encounter. Sometimes I get weird looks at the size of my day pack but experience has taught me that it's better that way.
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Post by franco on Mar 22, 2017 20:38:42 GMT -8
Walmart : me too (see no verb...) Shall I post some photos ?
Anyway, funny how often I have seen folk arriving at camp stripping off first thing because they are too hot and their clothing is wet from sweat. Often that is when is drizzling or even raining. Why they don't think of hiking with less on beats me.
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Post by gabby on Mar 22, 2017 21:06:09 GMT -8
Everybody's different: different knowledge and skill levels, and hugely varying metabolism.
Once upon a time, back when I was a regular runner, I was known to run in temps in the mid to upper 30s in shorts, but with a double layer of long sleeved shirts, gloves and a warm hat. I hate having cold elbows or hands. Plus, the gloves have a built-in "snot spot".
Back when I was spending many more nights out than in, I went car camping with some novice friends. They all wore jackets. I was wearing my Patagonia summer long sleeves and shorts. Everybody else got cold that night, even with jackets and long pants. I slipped off my damp stuff, put on clean, dry bedclothes (long pants and clean long sleeved shirt) and felt like I didn't even need the quilt I brought - in fact, I put it over my wife, who was apparently "freezing" in her 40 degree down bag. It was in the low 50s that night.
Prior adaptation and the small things - like changing clothes before going to bed - can add up. Getting physically fit is probably the most important thing anyone can do to prepare for "living outside".
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Post by cweston on Mar 23, 2017 4:19:19 GMT -8
Walmart : me too (see no verb...) Shall I post some photos ? Anyway, funny how often I have seen folk arriving at camp stripping off first thing because they are too hot and their clothing is wet from sweat. Often that is when is drizzling or even raining. Why they don't think of hiking with less on beats me. BTW Franco, this was my first night out in my SS2. No rain, but it was very windy and it was very windworthy. Pitching a non-freestanding tent in the wind is always a challenge, but I'm sure I'll get more adept with practice. I think I'm going to be very happy with this tent.
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Post by cweston on Mar 23, 2017 4:24:49 GMT -8
...Prior adaptation and the small things - like changing clothes before going to bed - can add up. Yep. Having dry clothes to wear to bed is basically my highest priority. I'd much rather be a touch on the chilly side when I'm on the move than wear my merino layers and not have them be dry in the evening. My body is definitely not the efficient furnace it once was--I guess that's just part of getting older. But I still run pretty warm when carrying a BP. I do dress warmer in camp than I used to, though.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Mar 23, 2017 5:14:07 GMT -8
Reminds me of a trip up Dix Mtn (Adks) many moons ago. It was around 60F in the valley, so I was in shorts and a T-shirt. As I reached treeline, it was full-on winter. But I was still warm and close to the summit, I decided just to march on. I didn't plan on spending much time on the summit anyway. So I summit, grab an energy bar and a photo, and am ready to head back down. The wind feels cool to me, but I'm still warm from the effort of summiting. Then from the other side of the mountain comes a group of five. They were dressed in full winter gear... pants, winter jackets, balaclavas, hats, ski goggles, crampons... and then there's me in my shorts, t-shirt, and trail runners. Talk about a juxtaposition!
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Post by Lamebeaver on Mar 23, 2017 5:41:32 GMT -8
I usually encounter the opposite.....It's mid-afternoon and I'm on my way back to the trailhead. Dark clouds are building in the distance and here they come. Ken and Barbie, smelling like they just stepped out of the shower, wearing shorts and tee shirts, and carrying Starbucks cups. No extra water, no day packs, no clue.
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 23, 2017 6:18:05 GMT -8
I usually encounter the opposite... Same here in California because the majority of mountain visitors are coming from warm low elevations and don't really get that high elevations will be that much cooler. Also there are myriad guys that as a daily uniform wear shorts and t-shirts even to work places and will be d@#$ed if they are going to change on a spur of the Sunday morning decision to drive up to the mountains with wife and kids. Classic here is the late winter TV news during some big Sierra snowstorm showing a car full of t-shirt wearing grinning urban types on their way up to Reno to a gamble, stuck on I80 where they slid into a snowbank. David
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Post by davesenesac on Mar 23, 2017 6:28:03 GMT -8
Personally as a small thin wiry guy easy to get cold, am the opposite of you. Rather dress warm and peel off as needed. Have a high sweating threshold but once that is reached am like everyone else. When you shake my hand, you will notice a cool dry hand.
David
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Post by stealthytomato on Mar 23, 2017 6:55:15 GMT -8
I confess I used to be one of those people until I got the proper gear. I hate to be cold and would often over layer, mostly because I didn't have the right clothing. My choices of jacket were either a long thin raincoat or a puffy jacket. And no proper base layers to speak of (cotton!). You work with what you've got, right?
I am truly amazed what a difference it makes! I can now wear 1/4 of the thickness/layers I once did and I'm even warmer. It also took me a while to trust that I could (what felt like) under-dress and know that'd I'd be plenty warm in no time.
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Post by cweston on Mar 23, 2017 7:20:36 GMT -8
I usually encounter the opposite.....It's mid-afternoon and I'm on my way back to the trailhead. Dark clouds are building in the distance and here they come. Ken and Barbie, smelling like they just stepped out of the shower, wearing shorts and tee shirts, and carrying Starbucks cups. No extra water, no day packs, no clue. I did a weeklong trip in the Gores a few years ago out of the Piney Lake trailhead. The last day back to the car was a Saturday. It was surreal, passing party after party of Barbies/Kens from Vail and whereabouts dayhiking from the lake. Got the stink eye from a few groups. One young woman asks "Did you camp overnight?" I'm thinking "Do you think?" Perhaps the grime, the smell, the pack, the ice axe, and the one-week beard were all subtle clues?
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Post by hikerjer on Mar 23, 2017 7:38:08 GMT -8
Everybody's different: different knowledge and skill levels, and hugely varying metabolism. Of course, this is the key. But I'm alway much more concerned with folks that underdress and under prepare for than those who overdo it. You can always take clothes off, but it you don't have extra with you, you're pretty much screwed it the weather goes south on you.
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Post by whistlepunk on Mar 23, 2017 9:20:23 GMT -8
I remember a few years when the Gothic look was all the rage among local teenagers. It would be 100+ degrees and they were all wearing heavy black jeans and had a black jacket over a black hoodie sweatshirt. Ahhh-- to be young again...
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