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Post by mrdanner on Mar 28, 2021 7:06:37 GMT -8
Good morning!
I have reservations at Gore Creek campground for mid-July for 3 nights and wanted to dayhike to both Gore Lake and Deluge Lake. I've been wanting to do this trip for a while, but the other day a friend told me I would regret going to the Vail area and not exploring the trails around Frisco.
So I looked up campgrounds around Frisco, and while there are several, it seems none of them have many trees and I'm a hammock camper.
What do you guys that have been to both areas suggest?
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Post by cweston on Mar 29, 2021 11:06:46 GMT -8
I do not think that the scenery in and around Gore and Deluge Lakes, and up Gore Creek, for that matter, is in any way inferior to the scenery on the Frisco side.
The Gore Creek campground is "fine." It's actually quite lovely, but it is pretty close to the interstate, and the sites are a little closer together than in some mountain USFS campgrounds. But it is wooded and scenic. But it sounds like you'll be gone all day day-hiking, so I would be perfectly happy there, if I were you. The campground hosts are pretty activist there, in terms of bear safety and other regulations. So if you're planning to hammock camp, I'd recommend yuo make good and sure that your set-up will pass muster.
Those trails from the East Vail trailheads can get a little crowded on weekends, but so can the ones close to Frisco.
If I were you I'd stick to your original plan, or at least follow up with the friend about what the heck they meant by that.
If time and weather allow, I highly recommend the side climb up to Snow Pass from Deluge Lake, BTW.
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Post by mrdanner on Mar 29, 2021 19:46:23 GMT -8
Thanks cweston for your input. I'm pretty sure I'm sticking with my original plan. I checked campgrounds around Frisco and it seems none have good tree coverage, so it would require a tent. Plus I've wanted to hike to Gore Lake and Deluge Lake for some time, and I already have reservations at the Gore Creek Campsite.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by making sure my campsite will "pass muster" by hammock camping? This will be my first time camping in bear country. I'm used to Red River Gorge in Kentucky and forests in Indiana.
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Post by cweston on Mar 30, 2021 3:49:13 GMT -8
I'm not a hammock camper, but my understanding is that rangers/campground hosts, etc occasionally tell people they cant use their hammocks because they do not have the approved setup, etc--it might harm the trees, and so on. That's all.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Mar 30, 2021 3:52:18 GMT -8
What kind of vehicle will you be driving?
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Post by mrdanner on Mar 30, 2021 4:45:38 GMT -8
cweston, that makes sense. I'll double check with them first. Thanks for the heads up.
Lamebeaver, I'll be renting a car when I fly into DEN. Probably something simple since I don't need a 4x4 to get to that campground.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Mar 30, 2021 15:07:25 GMT -8
Unfortunately, the Deluge Lake destination limits your options for camping to that particular trailhead/campground. Heading north from Silverthorne, there are a few other options...The road to Elliot Ridge in particular, where there are many options for primitive camping.
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Post by TrailElder on Apr 5, 2021 6:11:47 GMT -8
mrdanner I'm sort of a local on the Frisco side and I think you are getting good advice here. Given your goals and interests, sticking with your plan makes sense. I can't advise on the hammock-in-Gore-Campground technicalities, but I generally agree that it's a better spot for you than the Frisco-side CGs. Know that Gore Lake area will be busy. Also know that they are starting a huge I-70 improvement project this summer on the west side of Vail Pass. I really don't think it will affect things this summer -- I believe it's mostly design and prep work they are doing. But in the following 2-3 summers there will be a lot going on. It will be much-needed widening and improvement of the roadway, the bike path (which is already wonderful), watersheds, and wildlife travel ways. There is a surprising amount of wildlife in there, including elk, bighorn sheep, and the Canada Lynx, which has been reintroduced to that area. One thought if you want to do a point-to-point hike is that I gave some hikers a ride back from Gore TH (at the CG) to Meadow Creek TH near Frisco one time. They had a very nice hike over Eccles and Red Buffalo passes. You could do it in reverse from your camp with a shuttle or hitch back, for example. Those are very nice passes, and great places to see mountain goats. Enjoy! Let us know how it goes.
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Post by absarokanaut on Apr 5, 2021 10:36:11 GMT -8
We had a Mountain Goat try and tear upon one of our packs at Deluge Lake in the mid 80s. Those things are relentless, don't let your guard down.
As to the hammocks certain manufacturers made "tree Savers" that were entirely too narrow and not really any better for the tree than the cord/rope they were attached to. I'd just be certain to *KNOW* the rules, have generously thick tree savers, and abide by those rules. I've seen a lot of hammocks over the years strung up on branches with cord or narrow webbing for tree savers that were bending the branches and narrow trunks significantly to handle the load. I think only trunks should be used and that they should be thick enough in diameter to not be bending under any kind of strain.
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Post by cweston on Apr 5, 2021 10:57:23 GMT -8
mrdanner: If you're new to mountain goat country... 1) You'll generally know if they're around, in the summer, anyway, because you'll see their white wool on bushes, branches, and rocks here and there. 2) If goats are around, be sure to pee well away from your camp. The minerals/salts in human urine attracts them, and they will root and dig and lick pretty relentlessly where people have peed. 3) They're fun to have around camp, but they aren't very afraid of humans and can be quite persistent: once they take up residence in your camp, they might not want to leave. If you keep a neat camp with all your gear in one area that you can easily keep an eye on, it makes for a more relaxing goat encounter. I think they are more curious than anything--they seem more interested in people and gear than in food, in my experience.
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Post by TrailElder on Apr 6, 2021 14:30:07 GMT -8
Johnny da Goat cased my camp on the south side of Eccles Pass for a good 30 minutes. Turns out he's a well-known character.
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