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Post by 92hatchattack on Oct 5, 2015 15:44:10 GMT -8
Hi all,
I am about to take my 11 year old out on an overnight backpacking trip for the first time. We will be in black bear country and I have to say I'm kinda nervous. Now I've camped in this area with a friend before and I didint give it a second thought,but going alone this time with just my son has me very nervous. I'm not scared of a bear, I'm scared of not being able to protect my son from a bear really. I thinking sleeping at night is my biggest fear. Its one thing to see a bear on the trail. You have options at that point and all is fine if you play it smart. But i fear waking up to a bear at my tentside where its almost too late to do anything.
So for starters, can you keep bear spray in your tent or will that attract them? It would be nice to have the peace of mind but im not sure how sealed those containers are and if they give off an odor. I know the scent can actually attract bears if sprayed around.
Any other suggestions on what the hell to do if we wake up to a bear nudging the side of our tent? Maybe knowing what to do will put my mind at ease a bit. I'm really considering not going just out of fear, but I dont want somthing silly like this to stop me from doing something awesome with my son and he also needs to learn that you cant shy away from things just because theres a "chance" that something may go wrong. We all know we are more likely to get killed walking out of our front doors in the monring than ever being attacked by a bear.
Thank all!
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Post by hikerjer on Oct 5, 2015 17:32:42 GMT -8
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Post by ashepabst on Oct 5, 2015 17:35:47 GMT -8
ever gotten the chance to try it on a bear, TDale? i carried one for a while too, but never had the opportunity. i've spent the night with a problem bear hanging around in the Smokies, once. which is what prompted the air horn.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Oct 5, 2015 19:37:29 GMT -8
I keep it handy in the tent. Being highly pressurized, it should not leak "unnoticed".
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Post by cycle003 on Oct 5, 2015 19:58:32 GMT -8
Yes, I keep in in the tent. I don't think it would be an attractant.
What to do if a bear is nudging the tent? Not sure, but whenever I hear a large-sounding creature, like the snorting deer in my camp this weekend, I summon my deepest, most authoritarian voice and yell at it.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 5, 2015 20:48:45 GMT -8
Sure a can in the tent won't be an issue BUT do NOT trigger the can inside the tent, ever! That powerful a chemical in such a confined space and the irritation:damage to everyone's lungs would be very serious. First thing is follow the local rules about food storage, known In the west as "smellables" since more than simple food needs to be properly stored as mentioned above. Canisters are so much easier than hangs for beginners that if you're not camping at designated sites where they provide steel storage lockers I'd suggest just renting a canister: far simpler. Black bears don't see people as either food or prey: they eat berries, grass, insects and such. In places with careless backpackers or homeowners they DO associate people WITH food, so these intelligent animals come check out where they know people go, like campsites, to see if there's any of our tasty food available. They're often easily frightened by noise so airhorn, very loud yelling etc. and they run. Have you seen the viral video of the 20lb French bulldog chasing two bears off "his" patio? Lots of loud barking.... Bears learn from the mom and local skills differ. So how the Bears will behave does very much depend on where you're going. Plus in some locales bear spray is illegal as its more of an unnecessary weapon than a useful defense against the particular local bears. Subject to change: Grest Smoky Mountain used to ban its possession and now does not. Yosemite still does ban it. Oh and triple check there is NO food, or any other smellable attractant brought into the tent. The bear won't be attacking you (because they just don't) if one tries to get at what it smells inside the tent, but for an animal powerful enough to peel open a car door (though some know how to use the latch correctly, clever) in the confusion of scared people and flapping tent fabric mistakes can happen and than can mean people get hurt. Like in Yosemite where one child was killed, the deer kicked out without any intent when the child's mom scared it by placing the child too close for a photo. . That, by the way, is the only fatality in the park from ANY animal. Which is probably why they ban bear spray. Good advice here: www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/bearcanisters.htm
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Post by amaruq on Oct 6, 2015 3:51:03 GMT -8
I keep it handy in the tent. Being highly pressurized, it should not leak "unnoticed". And if it does start to leak while in the tent, you'll know about it right away. I keep my spray in the tent with me. It's more useful there than in the hang bag. If you've never used it, it shouldn't smell like anything more than plastic and metal. Black bears just want easy food, not a fight. Keep the tent a food free zone. Waking to find something poking at your tent, start off with a lower noise to not immediately startle the animal, which could then swat at you (through the tent fabric) in a panic.
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Post by toejam on Oct 6, 2015 4:32:18 GMT -8
We all know we are more likely to get killed walking out of our front doors in the monring than ever being attacked by a bear. Are there a lot of bear attacks in your area? Do you know anybody who's been attacked? Do the local park/forest authorities know anybody who's been attacked. Where did you hear that a bear outside your tent means he wants to come in and eat you? I don't think your emotions align with reality. There are very few bear attacks in the U.S. and they usually get press. I camp where there are a lot of bears and they don't bother me (except the one in Yosemite where they are trained to bother hikers). If I heard a bear outside my tent (which I never have in hundreds of nights backpacking), I'd tell my kid, "Check it out! There's a bear in our camp!" and it would be a great memory. Black bears don't see people as either food or prey The problem bears are where there are too many careless people leaving food & trash for them to get at easily. Wilderness bears don't associate people with food. You are much more likely to have bear problems car camping because of all the people & trash. Any other suggestions on what the hell to do if we wake up to a bear nudging the side of our tent? This doesn't really happen to backpackers, but here's what I say. Nudge it back. Tell it to go home. Show it how tall you are. And if all else fails, poke it in the eye with a trekking pole. But I think you are asking for an answer to a non-problem.
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Post by schlanky on Oct 6, 2015 7:19:01 GMT -8
Every bear I've ever seen in the backcountry has run the other way when it detected me.
In places with dense underbrush in Florida, I carry pepper spray and a whistle worn on a cord around my neck. The whistle is smaller and weighs less and is easier to reach than an air horn, but the air horn would be louder.
Like everyone else said, keep food smells out of your tent---and that includes toothpaste. At bedtime, make sure your son doesn't have part of a candy bar squirreled away in his pocket for a midnight snack.
Take the easy precautions mentioned in posts above, then don't worry about it.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Oct 6, 2015 8:27:00 GMT -8
EVERY loud noise outside my tent in decades of Sierra travel has been either deer (they are rather heavy footed and when they chew manzanita they are noisy eaters) or little brown birds messing in the ground clutter.
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Post by tigger on Oct 6, 2015 15:17:42 GMT -8
I've had to be very quiet to be able to get close to black bear. Pretty skittish creatures. I've had much better luck hanging out with deer. Although they would/could be attracted to the scent of bear spray, they tend to be cautious around humans in general unless in a car camping scenario where they become numb to them. Out in the wild, I've had a much different experience with them. I have bear spray but don't even carry it in the Oregon Cascade range at all. Other places where density is higher, I would consider it but still not be worried a bit.
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Post by toesnorth on Oct 6, 2015 20:39:15 GMT -8
Yes, you can keep it in your tent but, as hikerjer stated, be careful. It IS nasty stuff and I have had the unfortunate luck to have been on the wrong end of it which I wrote about in these forums years ago. I still carry bear spray for all large predators, including humans, but fortunately haven't had to use it..................yet.
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Post by tomas on Oct 7, 2015 6:44:24 GMT -8
I know the scent can actually attract bears if sprayed around. Eh? Is that true?
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Post by BlueBear on Oct 7, 2015 6:53:53 GMT -8
We all know we are more likely to get killed walking out of our front doors in the monring than ever being attacked by a bear. Are there a lot of bear attacks in your area? Do you know anybody who's been attacked? Do the local park/forest authorities know anybody who's been attacked. Where did you hear that a bear outside your tent means he wants to come in and eat you? I don't think your emotions align with reality. There are very few bear attacks in the U.S. and they usually get press. I camp where there are a lot of bears and they don't bother me (except the one in Yosemite where they are trained to bother hikers). If I heard a bear outside my tent (which I never have in hundreds of nights backpacking), I'd tell my kid, "Check it out! There's a bear in our camp!" and it would be a great memory. I think you may have misunderstood 92hatchattack's intent with that message. It seems to me he was admitting that the actual odds of being attacked are very small.
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Post by talus on Oct 10, 2015 5:40:50 GMT -8
I didn't think bear spray was recommended for black bears.
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