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Post by nicole on Sept 7, 2015 17:54:17 GMT -8
Hopefully someone could help me out. I've always been a day hiker and only carried a small camelbak (3L bladder) with space for some dry food, estimated weight under 7lbs. Now my husband and I have permits for base of Grand Canyon so I need to carry more. Bought the Osprey Aura 65 with help from salesman from REI. I've been doing about 12 mile day hikes and the pack is hurting my shoulders horribly. My shoulders aren't rubbed raw as some experience. Just sore and need to stop and take the weight off them about every 0.75 miles. After 3 hikes I read up about weight distribution (I had it backed going high not wide) and I repacked it towards the bottom more to carry more weight on my hips. Total packed weight I'm at 28.3 lbs (which is what I'll need for Grand Canyon). Yesterday I was able to only go out for 3 miles as a storm started rolling in.
My shoulders didn't hurt as horrible as before with the new weight distribution and I didn't need to stop and take the weight off. Previously it wasn't just the fact I went further as I would have to stop at the first mile then ever 0.75 thereafter.
However yesterdays hike, I would adjust the shoulder straps and sternum strap every 1/2 mile or so. But, I didn't need to stop and take weight off. The straps weren't uncomfortable, but I could defiantly feel them. I'm wondering if I need to exchange the pack or just get used to it? I have no upper body strength so I'm wondering if I just have to build up strength. Also I'm not a backpack wearer so having staps on my shoulders isn't something I'm used to. People talk about how they don't even feel the shoulders, I can't imagine that is possible.
My feet sure ache much more then before too. But I'm at 130lbs and now carring almost 25% more of my body weight I assume I just need to get used to the weight.
Thanks for for any pointers.
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Post by mk on Sept 7, 2015 18:27:44 GMT -8
I have this same pack and have used it twice in the Grand Canyon. Third trip coming up in a couple of weeks. I also find that it hurts my shoulders, although it generally isn't bad until I've put in more than 8 miles in a day. We had one 11-mile day on the Tonto Trail on our last trip and by the end I was hurting. I think the biggest problem I have with this pack is that I'm at the top end of the small so it's extended as far as it can go. I feel a lot of drag on my shoulders. My husband carries probably 20 lbs more than I do but his pack always feels more balanced to me. The Osprey just feels dense, even with just 25 lbs.
Takeaway - you might want to try another brand and see if you can get a more comfortable fit. GCNP is challenging enough with a pack that feels good from the start. I'm not quite ready to give up on my Osprey, but I am starting to consider it for future trips.
What's your itinerary?
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Post by BigLoad on Sept 7, 2015 19:04:07 GMT -8
Perhaps it doesn't fit well, but you may just need to adjust the straps differently. How much have you experimented with that beyond what you mentioned? It sounds like you had the shoulder straps too tight, which is pretty common for new backpackers. Most of the weight should ride on your hips, and you should be able to loosen the shoulder straps considerably. It shouldn't take a lot of upper body strength to carry the pack. Also, 12 miles is a pretty good distance with a loaded pack if you're not used to it. It may take a while not to feel a bit wrecked after a day like that.
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Post by nicole on Sept 8, 2015 6:43:45 GMT -8
Thanks BigLoad for your recommendations, I will try changing up the back straps (some anti-gravity suspension thing) a little more. I don't have outfitters close to me, REI is a 2 hour drive one way.
I guess I just expect to put on my pack and hike 12 miles like I would without one on and that's not realistic. I was borderline Small to Medium and the salesman recommended I go with the medium so I will try getting the straps up a little higher. I do like the pack and it comes with such high reviews, so I will keep working with it.
We are just spending one night at the bottom. The night before our hike (Saturday) we are staying at the Bright Angel lodge. We may do a short hike that afternoon. Then on Sunday, we are hiking South Kaibab trail down. We will leave by 6am so hopefully be down by noon. Just spending one night at the campground. Setup camp and explore the area. On Monday we hike back out using Bright Angel trail. We hope to leave by 5am and finish by mid afternoon. Not sure how long our breaks will be on the way out.
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Post by tigger on Sept 8, 2015 6:45:41 GMT -8
Not sure what is fitted wrong but something obviously is. You shouldn't have to shift weight down. If anything, up and close to your shoulderblades as possible. The weight should be directly over your hips as BigLoad said.
Loosen all straps. Tighten your hipbelt first, Then shoulder straps till it's just floating (so you can still lift your pack with your shoulders if you shrug), then sternum strap to keep the shoulder straps correctly aligned.
It is quite possible that although you were fitted, you weren't fitted correctly. Often packs are sized smaller than they should (based on the torso length) and you may need to go up a pack size.
If you have done all of the above, The other obvious answer is...it's the wrong pack for you. A pack is clearly like a pair of shoes and needs to fit just right. Based upon your description, I'm going with needing to upsize your pack itself.
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Post by amaruq on Sept 8, 2015 7:07:27 GMT -8
However yesterdays hike, I would adjust the shoulder straps and sternum strap every 1/2 mile or so. But, I didn't need to stop and take weight off. The straps weren't uncomfortable, but I could defiantly feel them. I'm wondering if I need to exchange the pack or just get used to it? I have no upper body strength so I'm wondering if I just have to build up strength. Also I'm not a backpack wearer so having staps on my shoulders isn't something I'm used to. People talk about how they don't even feel the shoulders, I can't imagine that is possible. I can't speak for everyone, but I find most of the folk I hike with, including myself, adjust their straps on the fly within the first mile or two. Primarily it's the sternum, shoulder, and belt straps that need to be dialed in just a bit more as the pack settles and the straps absorb moisture. A simple free-body diagram will show that a person's core muscles help carry the backpack. While we all know those shoulder straps aren't meant for bearing the weight of the load on to your shoulders, they are meant to provide leverage to keep the pack upright and against your back. Properly adjusted shoulder-strap lengths, load-lifters, and sternum straps are key for reducing the effort to provide this leverage. If these straps are off you'll end up craning your head, shoulders, and body forward much of the time to better balance the bag over your body. This leads to the shoulders pulling on the bag and taking a fair amount of weight off the hip belt. So while you don't need a sport climber's upper body to carry a heavy pack, rocking a six-pack of abs won't hurt. If you're not used to wearing backpacks -- let alone heavy backpacks -- chances are you're going to notice it's there. While I also can't imagine not feeling the shoulder straps, I assume what those you talk to mean is that they don't feel the shoulder straps bearing down on their shoulders and as I mentioned above, they shouldn't. You should feel the straps pulling backwards against your chest (i.e. providing leverage), not down against the top of your shoulders. The sternum strap is a godsend for this, but remember to adjust both its length and height. My feet sure ache much more then before too. But I'm at 130lbs and now carring almost 25% more of my body weight I assume I just need to get used to the weight. Your legs and feet are carrying much more than they are accustomed to and at a different center of gravity. So sore feet will be mostly unavoidable while you're pushing your distance limits. Just don't push so hard as to seriously hurt yourself, of which there are numerous ways.
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Post by tigger on Sept 8, 2015 7:11:57 GMT -8
My feet sure ache much more then before too. But I'm at 130lbs and now carring almost 25% more of my body weight I assume I just need to get used to the weight. If you haven't already, invest in a pair of trekking poles. They'll go a long way toward keeping your feet in less pain.
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Post by zeke on Sept 8, 2015 7:23:02 GMT -8
For a guideline, there should be 2 fingers width of room between the top of your shoulder and the strap. It is there to keep the pack from falling over backwards, not for your shoulders to actually carry weight. Adjust the pack until the load lifters are at a 45 degree angle, or as close to that as possible. Better to be 30 from horizontal than 50, though. I found this pic on google.
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Post by rebeccad on Sept 8, 2015 8:06:07 GMT -8
My feet sure ache much more then before too. But I'm at 130lbs and now carring almost 25% more of my body weight I assume I just need to get used to the weight. If you haven't already, invest in a pair of trekking poles. They'll go a long way toward keeping your feet in less pain. This. And feet need to be built up to handle heavier weights and longer miles. Trust me, I've done it the other way--back in my 20s I trained for a long hike almost entirely on the bicycle. My feet hurt so much at the end of every day's hike that I sometimes cried. Of course, the boots I wore back then were awful compared to today, but the point is still valid. Give them time to work into it. As for the pack fit: I'll second what other are saying. You either have the wrong pack, or need to adjust things very differently for a proper ride. My husband got a substantial improvement recently by hauling his loaded pack into REI and having someone help him adjust it (this was the pack he's been carrying for several years. But something had gotten out of whack and he couldn't fix it himself). It might be worth that long drive to get it fit properly, with your load in it. Worst case, REI has a great return policy, and you get a pack that fits you and your load better (though the weight you are carrying should be easy in the Aura 65). One thing I just noticed: you appear to be female. The Aura is a men's pack; the women's version is the Ariel. That may be at the root of your problem, as the hip and shoulder belts do differ between them.
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Post by nicole on Sept 8, 2015 9:45:44 GMT -8
Thanks again for everyone's input. I do have trekking poles. I also do not think I have the straps giving me enough room. I currently do not have the two finger width above my shoulders. They are sitting on my shoulders but not snug. When I get home from work I am going to work on changing the straps and see how that works. It's a cold rainy day here but even just walking around my house I should at least get a feel for it, do some stairs as well. Oh and this is the pack I have, appears to be a womens according to Osprey's site. I guess I didn't reference the "AG" after Aura. www.ospreypacks.com/en/group/backpacks/aura_ag_series
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Post by tomas on Sept 8, 2015 17:05:33 GMT -8
My suggestion is to take all your gear (and food!) to REI and fill the backpack. Then have a trained associate adjust the pack for you. All the straps can get confusing and/or you've simply got a pack that doesn't work with your body.
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Post by nicole on Sept 8, 2015 17:46:23 GMT -8
My update after trying out the tips, I was able to raise up the straps up so I don't have them touching my shoulders, just floating above almost the 2 finger width as recommended. I was able to tighten the sternum strap then. I do feel a little bit of pressure on the front but not bad and totally manageable.
Also I realized another issue with my pack, my 3L bladder I had on the outside of my pack (kinda in the mesh ventilation section). I read online at various sites that was the preferred location, but then my pack didn't come off my back as intended. I moved the bladder inside to the actual bladder pocket and that works great too for the fit.
I've been training with rain gear in my pack and hopefully it won't be needed for my Grand Vanyon hike and I could eliminate almost 3 lbs.
Thanks again for everyone's tips. I've been trying to find a decent forum for quite sometime and never thought to check the magazine that I loves website until last night for one.
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Post by reuben on Sept 9, 2015 1:40:05 GMT -8
I've been trying to find a decent forum for quite sometime and never thought to check the magazine that I loves website until last night for one. There's a... Aw, never mind.
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Post by rebeccad on Sept 9, 2015 6:41:56 GMT -8
Ah. Looks like they've changed some labeling. How confusing!
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Post by rebeccad on Sept 9, 2015 6:44:21 GMT -8
Also I realized another issue with my pack, my 3L bladder I had on the outside of my pack (kinda in the mesh ventilation section). I read online at various sites that was the preferred location, but then my pack didn't come off my back as intended. I moved the bladder inside to the actual bladder pocket and that works great too for the fit. Weird that anyone would recommend that. Putting that much weight on the far back of the pack would certainly contribute to the problems you were having! Heaviest weights closest to your back is a pretty solid rule. My pack doesn't have a bladder sleeve, so I put the water on top of the load, inside and as close to my back as possible. This does mean I need to pay attention to making sure the cap is on tight, but that is always true.
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