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Post by trex318 on May 25, 2017 16:13:24 GMT -8
Hello everyone, I am new here and need some advice, please!
My son 6 yrs, turning 7 in a few months will go on his first 3-day backpacking trip.
I need advice as to what kind of food to pack
type of sleeping bag
anything to sleep on?
What type of backpack that will not break the bank
what to do about the ticks that are so bad in PA?
How to bring enough water ( he drinks a lot - high energy)
Any electrolytes to bring along?
And anything else you might think of. Maybe you have a packing list?
I do have a lot of hiking and camping gear as we are active outdoors but nothing that will be light enough and fit in his small backpack (mostly adult). He is on the smaller side so I need everything as light as possible. I want him to have a good experience so he keeps on going
Thank you so much!
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Post by zeke on May 25, 2017 16:32:23 GMT -8
This section is full of threads about hiking with kids. Did you read the one about the 8 yr old daughter? Lots of good info there. Pack the food he'll eat. Sometimes that varies from what he'll eat at home.
He can sleep on a closed cell pad, cheap from many stores.
Best tick remedy is a vigilant parent. Long pants, socks, and a hat will give you some areas covered but you still need to be checking him.
Salty snacks and dried fruit may be the best thing you can use for electrolytes. Think nuts, chips or pretzels, anything he'll eat really. Some folks use M&Ms as rewards, as in "hiking pills".
Hiking in Pa? If you cross water every couple of hours, then you will need a filter to refill your bottles. Depending on the heat, sun, and hills, He might need a quart every hour or so. So will you.
What he carries in his pack should be not much. A favorite toy, his sleeping bag, and some snacks. The adults need to carry everything else.
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Post by trinity on May 25, 2017 18:34:14 GMT -8
Zeke's post is right on. A few more details from my own experience; my son, who just turned 8, sleeps in an REI Nodder, and carries an REI Tarn. Children that age need some padding, but not nearly as much as us old people, a small closed cell foam mat will work fine. For food, my son likes Mary Jane Farms Chilimac and Eat Your Veggies Pasta, but there are many options out there, you should have no trouble finding something he likes. Eating out of a bag can be fun for a kid, if you make it a special thing. Bringing along a few books and some small toys is very important for us, and he also likes to have his own lantern and his own flashlight. Another thing that can make things fun for a kid is to bring something for dessert, I have carried Packit Gourmet's Chocolate Mousse, and I always bring hot chocolate as well. Anything that makes the trip feel special and fun. Plan on low mileage days, with plenty of breaks. In PA during tick season, I would definitely put something with DEET on him, you don't want to risk Lyme Disease. One of my most important gear purchases when I started backpacking with my son was a large capacity (75+10) backpack for myself, because, as Zeke says, he can carry little more than his sleeping bag, some clothes, and a small water bottle, the rest is on my back. Good on you for getting your son out there, hope y'all have a great time!
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Post by jazzmom on May 26, 2017 4:32:38 GMT -8
My son happily slept on a closed foam pad for a long time. A Thermarest Z-Lite in the short length. Light and manageable bulk. If you have any kind of budget, the sleeping bag is where I would put it, and I would get a down one to be as light and compact as possible. My son started out using one of my hand-me-down down bags. I'm a 5'2" woman so my gear is relatively small and I found that adult "women's" gear was usually lighter than gear labeled for "kids", and almost always better quality. You might consider trying to buy a good quality *used* women's down bag instead of a new kids' bag. If you have a bigger budget, Enlightened Equipment makes down youth quilts that are super light and their prices are very reasonable for what you get. My son was a really picky eater and food was a challenge. In my experience though, kids seem perfectly happy eating the *same* thing day after day. Mine loved the Mountain House Lasagna; he literally ate that every night of the trip. Anything "Italian-ish" worked for him. Breakfasts were harder since he didn't like oat meal. I took a big bag of Cheerios and peanut butter and made Cheerio-PB "balls" (Cheerios held together with a blob of PB.) I never worried about nutrition on the trail, just made sure he had enough calories. We have a tradition of taking gummy bears. He's 18 now and we still hike together and we still take gummy bears. I'm the mom (and it looks like you are, too) and, for me, carrying a 50lb pack wasn't an option, so I really concentrated on outfitting *both* of us lightweight as possible. He used (and wore) a lot of my hand-me-downs and I upgraded my gear -- for us, this strategy worked better in the long run than outfitting him with less expensive kids gear. He was able to use all the gear until he outgrew me and started replacing items with adult men's sizes.
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Post by topshot on May 26, 2017 18:55:35 GMT -8
Food: whatever he likes to eat! Bag: he's used my wife's down bag since we started when he was 4.5 Pad: generic blue CCF (cut down - I used it burrito style as the frame for my pack) Pack: Now he uses a REI Flash 22. Then he used a REI Tarn 12 and then Tarn 18. I have the Tarn 18 for sale along with a variety of boy clothing that should fit him. Ticks: do NOT let him lead unless it's a wide brush-free trail. You can use trekking poles to knock nearby vegetation as you pass. We let him lead for a while and picked off 20+ ticks at a stop. After we stuck him behind his brother and me, only found 1 that night. Note that ticks will fall from trees as well. We also wear long pants and shirt sleeves. So the short of it is inspect both of you closely especially at night while changing. Water: filter as needed as you pass each source. If you know you have a long ways between sources, carry some extra in Platypus/Sawyer/Evernew bladders (1 or 2L size). Electrolytes: Generally you get enough salt/potassium from snacks/meals. If you wish you could bring some Gatorade packets (or ziploc with powder). That may be nice a treat for even longer trips where just water may get "boring". Misc: Make sure he has fun. Stop as often as he wants. Make sure the total weight of what he's carrying isn't more than 15% of his weight.
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Post by rebeccad on May 27, 2017 10:00:31 GMT -8
Great advice here.
I found some old lists of what my boys carried, over the course of several years. They started out with tiny REI Little Teton Packs, and graduated to Deuter Fox 30, then 40, and finally adult-sized packs when they were well into their teens (mine were small for their ages and slow to grow).
Here's the list. As a note, the older boy is an October baby, so his summer age is 3/4 past the year, while the younger was a May boy, so on our trips he was barely the listed age.
On the 2004 Sangre de Cristos trip (3 nights, 13 or 14 miles total), the boys (ages 5 &6) carried in their (Little Teton) packs: Rain pants Wind breaker Stuffies and little cars Water 2 energy bars each Eldest Son carried his fleece jacket, and we should have added: Flashlight Whistle
In 2005 (ages 6 & 7) they carried the same plus I think all their clothing, which is about all their packs would hold.
2006, Weminuche (5 nights) (ages 7 & 8). They carried (in the new Deuter Fox 30 packs): All their clothing Stuffies & little cars Notepads, pens, and a book Water (lemonade) Bag of candy Whistle Pack cover Bowls, cups, plates, spoons for all (Eldest Son had most of this)
2007, Sawtooths (6 nights) (ages 8 & 9): All their clothing Stuffies & little cars Notepads, pens, and a book Water (lemonade) Bag of candy Whistle Headlamps Pack covers Bowls, cups, plates, spoons for all (Second Son, mostly) Cookpot (Second Son, for the first 2 days; move to my pack when we'd eaten enough to make room) Sleeping bag (Eldest Son)
This was the first trip when they charged ahead of us on long climbs, looking back to mock our plodding progress.
I can't find specific lists for the next couple of years (we continued doing week-long trips every summer), but from there out they were carrying all their own personal gear, and a little food, while we carried their tent until they were about 10 or so. I carried their closed-cell foam pads until they got the larger packs around 2011, just because of the bulk which didn't fit on the little packs. I don't think they were carrying their full share until high school. But bear in mind that at age 10, Eldest Son weighed 55 lbs fully clothed, and was about 4'2". His younger brother was about the same size (at the same time; i.e. 18 months younger).
I want to comment on food, as Eldest Son has food issues. I found that it was a constant frustration, as what tasted good at home or on a previous trip might be rejected. I ended up packing LOTS of granola bars, as a go-to for him whenever a meal didn't work, and feeding both boys lots of candy, which was partly just a bribe to make backpacking extra special, as they virtually never got candy at home. From an early age I let them pick out (from left-over Halloween candy) what they wanted to take, and they were in charge of portioning it out for themselves. It worked well!
Sleeping bag: we started with "kids" bags, but because they were synthetic and cheaper, they were bulkier and heavier than an adult bag, so once we were securely past bed-wetting, we just put them in adult down bags. You can fold under or tie off the end if it's too much space and makes them cold.
Pads: closed-cell foam until they were teens and we upgraded our own to Neo-Air pads and gave them the self-inflating pads.
Check the Kids' forum here for possible used gear. All our kids' packs are floating around in the forum-o-sphere somewhere.
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Post by zeke on May 27, 2017 11:42:01 GMT -8
OP joined up 2 days ago, asked a question that could've been answered by reading older threads in the same section, and hasn't even been back to the forums since. Not sure why anyone would do that, but she isn't the first.
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Post by rebeccad on May 27, 2017 16:53:00 GMT -8
OP joined up 2 days ago, asked a question that could've been answered by reading older threads in the same section, and hasn't even been back to the forums since. Not sure why anyone would do that, but she isn't the first. :( Hope she comes and sees this!
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Post by jalexa on Mar 7, 2018 22:26:13 GMT -8
zeke Don't be surprised that's what most do but really not right.
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Post by barry on Mar 18, 2018 12:28:55 GMT -8
When I'm camping or hiking with my son I always make sure to bring him a chair for him to sit when he's tired or just to sit and enjoy the nature and he loves it! campsandtrails.com/best-kids-camping-chairs/ I got him the Kelsyus Kid’s Canopy Chair. It's lightweight, made of heavy-duty steel and it's very easy to set it up!
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Post by zeke on Mar 18, 2018 12:44:39 GMT -8
barry It is important to disclose you have an interest in the website you just linked to. Dredging up a thread from 10 months ago to send people to your own site is not the kind of behavior we endorse here. You need to either identify yourself as a merchant, affiliated with a merchant, or in some other way tell people your post may not be entirely altruistic. Click baiting is not allowed. Even if your website is just a review of gear you find, it is still important to let people know you are sending them to your own page.
Also, no one I know would call 4.8 pounds worth of chair "lightweight".
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Post by johntpenca on Mar 18, 2018 20:58:34 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 19:23:59 GMT -8
When I travel with my daughter, I always bring a folded chair for her, and a light snack .
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Post by rebeccad on Apr 17, 2018 9:00:47 GMT -8
Lots and lots of snacks
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Post by jazzmom on Apr 17, 2018 17:38:14 GMT -8
When I'm camping or hiking with my son I always make sure to bring him a chair for him to sit when he's tired or just to sit and enjoy the nature and he loves it! campsandtrails.com/best-kids-camping-chairs/ I got him the Kelsyus Kid’s Canopy Chair. It's lightweight, made of heavy-duty steel and it's very easy to set it up! Here's a little advice. If you're going to tout your "camps & trails" website on a backpackers forum, you should pick a topic that at least makes you sound like you know what you're talking about. Bragging about a canopied camp chair made of "heavy-duty steel" in response to a gear question about backpacking with a 6 year-old? That's not gonna do it for you.
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