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Post by rebeccad on May 30, 2017 13:25:57 GMT -8
Remember, water bottles, juice bottles are coated, with a material that stops the water from being exposed to the underlying plastic structure. With water/juice bottle reuse the coating wears off, exposing the plastic molecular structure. The underlying structure is then wore off by the water and enters your body. The underlying structure is an estrogen mimic. I am aware of this. I guess it's a gamble I take that a week's use won't cause real issues.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:35:54 GMT -8
Remember, water bottles, juice bottles are coated, with a material that stops the water from being exposed to the underlying plastic structure. With water/juice bottle reuse the coating wears off, exposing the plastic molecular structure. The underlying structure is then wore off by the water and enters your body. The underlying structure is an estrogen mimic. I am aware of this. I guess it's a gamble I take that a week's use won't cause real issues. Please, also, give some thought to what it means to give your sons and husband estrogen.
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Post by whistlepunk on May 30, 2017 18:15:32 GMT -8
"I am aware of this. I guess it's a gamble I take that a week's use won't cause real issues."
True. How many times is a bottle used before being finally discarded? What is the coating ablation rate? How long is the fluid inside the bottle before being consumed (how much residue will it absorb)? How bioavailable is the residue (how much gets absorbed by the body)? and finally, putting all the above together, what is the minimum amount necessary in the body to have some effect? Under normal usage conditions will you ever reach a level of concern, given under FDA and USDA standards and federal law the maximum allowable intake is set at 1% of the NOAEL (No Observed Adverse Effect Level) and food packaging is manufactured accordingly? None of the studies referenced above looked at these questions. The fact that under extreme conditions tests can find a few stray molecules (PPQ -- Parts per Quadrillion) means nothing in real world risk assessment. Risk and hazard are two distinct terms with different meanings. Most people confuse the two.
The normal healthy male body processes and excretes excess estrogen quite well. Much ado about nothing.
Breathing campfire smoke is a far greater health risk (fumes from camp stoves also). As is the pine fragrance in a forest, the ozone in the air after an electrical storm, inhaling dust from the trail, the UV rays from sunlight, et al.
This is like an acquaintance of mine who lectures me about the need to eat organic, become vegan, most food is poison, be careful what I put in my body, ad nauseum while he smokes marijuana constantly. I laugh at him as I walk away from his diatribes.
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Post by whistlepunk on May 30, 2017 19:14:03 GMT -8
I did some quick research. About 40 picograms per milliliter of blood is considered excessively high estrogen levels in men. With, let's say, 5 liters of blood in a male, that works out to about 0.0002 grams in an average man. The metabolic clearance rate in woman is about 48 hours for total elimination, and men clear estrogen faster than women. So for men it would be less than 48 hours. Men naturally produce some estrogen from testosterone, and stops the conversion when a certain level is reached (varies by age, health, and genetic factors). I was unable to find any reliable estimates of much you could get from a degraded plastic bottle that held a liquid for 24 hours. I would suspect it is far far less than 0.0002 grams. On a backpack trip after you drank the initial filling you would be refilling and emptying far faster -- too quickly for any significant residue to leach into the contents.
Far more important things to worry about.
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Post by rebeccad on May 30, 2017 20:57:06 GMT -8
On a backpack trip after you drank the initial filling you would be refilling and emptying far faster -- too quickly for any significant residue to leach into the contents. Right. Drink the original soda first lunch. After that, lemonade or such is mixed in the bottle and drunk at once. It's not heated, which I understand to be one of the bigger risk factors for releasing BPA etc.
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Post by schlanky on May 31, 2017 17:28:54 GMT -8
I make my own "energy drink" as follows: 1 pkg Kool-aid, flavor of your choice 8 tbs sugar ⅜ tsp salt ⅛ tsp potassium chloride (Nu-salt) This makes 2 quarts. I usually split into two snack bags and mix it as needed. If has about 1/2 the sugar found in most commercial Gatorade type drinks. Thanks for sharing your recipe, Lamebeaver. I have used Nuun on the trail for years and had also started using it at home after yard work, etc. I was looking for a cheaper alternative to Nuun for home and tried your recipe. First batch with black cherry Kool-Aid was very good. I was making another batch today with lemonade and ran out of sugar and only got five-ish Tbs of sugar in it, and it was fine that way too.
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Post by Lamebeaver on May 31, 2017 17:53:29 GMT -8
Glad you found it useful schlanky the sugar helps you avoid "hitting the wall" when you are hiking, but for preventing muscle cramps, etc. it probably isn't absolutely necessary for yard work. I think it's one of those YMMV things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 6:47:18 GMT -8
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Post by HMPYG on Jun 21, 2017 15:09:04 GMT -8
Pack some pedialyte! Just kidding, but my dad does seriously use this to hydrate. (I would not recommend this) - Steve, Creator of HMPYG and Arizona News Organization
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Post by msdoolittle on Jun 22, 2017 9:14:53 GMT -8
I cringe when I read this thread and the sugar some are using. After having cut out all sweeteners, I look to using Salt Stick Caps.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 9:58:44 GMT -8
I bring Saltstick caps with me on every day hike, backpacking trip, and workout. I like the buffered time release aspect of the Saltstick caps. I was out working as a helper for the mason doing the Big Creek fireplace. The day was cool and my shirt was doing a jam up job keeping me dry as it wicked the moisture away. That night I woke up with some painful inner thigh cramps. The first thing I did was take a Saltstick with some water. I waited for the cramp to go away and finally took a K capsule. The cramp did not go away, I was nearly unable to walk. After a few hours of cramping and pain, I took another Saltstick with a quart of water. I, finally, began to feel relief and was reminded of the other magic elixir in the no cramp mix; water. I drank another quart and a half. The next day, I kept up with drinking and did not suffer a cramping episode for the rest of my time at Big Creek.
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Post by walkswithblackflies on Jun 22, 2017 10:33:44 GMT -8
1 oz potato chips (about 15 chips): Calcium........6.7mg....1%Iron...........0.5mg....3% Magnesium......18.8mg...5%Phosphorus.....46.2mg...5% Potassium......357mg...10% Sodium.........170mg....7% Zinc...........0.3mg....2% Copper.........0.1mg....4% Manganese......0.1mg....6% Selenium......2.3mcg....3% Read More nutritiondata.self.com/facts/snacks/5662/2#ixzz4kl0RUEpY
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Post by rwtb123 on Jun 22, 2017 10:36:05 GMT -8
The kids these days just home brew a punch of crystal lite and whatever fruits/berries are in season for a speedy recovery.I use a similar approach but without the chemicals...
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