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Post by N.d.L. Projects on Feb 18, 2017 11:53:03 GMT -8
zeke comes close to my idea, but not quite it yet. There are still some downsides to these designs that I would like to tackle. I'm sorry for being a bit vague but unless I see something that's really spot on I'm not going to give away my idea. Mostly because I don't want other people to come up and claim the idea is theirs.
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Post by N.d.L. Projects on Feb 18, 2017 13:42:32 GMT -8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxGnpmcoKnEI think this stove comes closest to my idea, but still not completly it. Obviously I want it a lot lighter and a lot more compact and I want to add different uses to it besides just burning wood.
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almostthere
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Post by almostthere on Feb 18, 2017 19:11:35 GMT -8
You're going to need serious marketing mojo to pitch it to people who can build a small fire and balance a cup on rocks.
I will never buy a wood stove. Fire bans above 9600-10000 feet, lack of motivation to wander around wasting time gathering twigs when I could be fishing, and the ultralight nature of cat can or other stoves drive that choice. You'll never be able to get such a stove below six ounces, which is literally five ounces of fuel, two alcohol stoves and a windscreen.
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Post by N.d.L. Projects on Feb 19, 2017 3:01:58 GMT -8
almostthereIf that's the case you're just not part of my target audience i suppose? I wonder why you even post a reply... it's not like anything you just said can possibly help me any further. The fact that there are wood stoves on the market and they can charge over a hundred dollars for one already tells me that there are people interested in these kind of things.
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Post by markskor on Feb 19, 2017 6:08:30 GMT -8
NdL - You are the one coming to a backpacking forum...trying to introduce your ambiguous stove idea to a whole bunch of experienced people who backpack regularly. You say you are backpacking clueless yet ask our help...Great...but then get snippy when someone disagrees/ shows you where you are in error. Wandering Daisy tried to point out to you that there are: Already many similar products available - we don't use them either...why? Regulations prohibit use of this type stove in many areas - (fire danger, no on/off control, and altitude restrictions). Additionally, there are better backpack stove options that are both user-friendly and legal. You state you target a specific audience...unfortunately it's not here. Respectfully, maybe try this in a survival forum as obviously there are a few important nuances to this sport you do not grasp.
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Post by trinity on Feb 19, 2017 6:48:58 GMT -8
I wonder why you even post a reply Perhaps because you posed this question: Now my question is, does this sound as useful? For me, the simple answer would be no. I say this not to be unkind, but because you asked what I assume to be an honest question, and you presumably have no desire to build a product for which there is no need. If your goal is to determine whether or not your hypothetical product would be utilized by backpackers, I suggest you listen to all the replies you hear on this forum--not just the ones that tell you what you want to hear. I wish you the very best of luck in your endeavor.
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Post by Westy on Feb 19, 2017 8:04:37 GMT -8
If your worried about your IP, you need to hire a patent attorney to conduct a search. That way you are not impinging on another's IP. Welcome to the world of product development.
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Post by bluefish on Feb 19, 2017 18:35:25 GMT -8
I've seen some variations on this about a mile in from the trailhead. I've never seen an actual serious backpacker with anything of the sort. Take the advice given and move on to a survival forum.
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Post by crawford on Feb 20, 2017 14:01:44 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you mean with "to stave off injury" I'm not a native english speaker, could you please explain? Many years ago I was hiking in a swamp in late December when a rain storm came. I became very wet and then temperatures dropped into the 20s. I tried to push on but as time passed I couldn't feel my feet at all. Both my hands and my feet were becoming frost bitten. I needed the heat source to dry my clothing and to stop my hands and feet from having permanent damage.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Feb 21, 2017 8:48:14 GMT -8
You initially were talking about a way to dry wood. Using a wood stove to dry wood if you don't have any dry wood would be quite a trick.
I agree with Almostthere. There's a limited market that already has several options. I guess I'm not in your target market either.
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Post by N.d.L. Projects on Feb 22, 2017 1:09:21 GMT -8
NdL - You are the one coming to a backpacking forum...trying to introduce your ambiguous stove idea to a whole bunch of experienced people who backpack regularly. You say you are backpacking clueless yet ask our help...Great...but then get snippy when someone disagrees/ shows you where you are in error. Wandering Daisy tried to point out to you that there are: Already many similar products available - we don't use them either...why? Regulations prohibit use of this type stove in many areas - (fire danger, no on/off control, and altitude restrictions). Additionally, there are better backpack stove options that are both user-friendly and legal. You state you target a specific audience...unfortunately it's not here. Respectfully, maybe try this in a survival forum as obviously there are a few important nuances to this sport you do not grasp. I'm sorry if I came across as "snippy" but his/her comment just isn't of much help to me. I am fully aware that the usual wood stoves have a lot of downsides. This is what I am trying to better. I'm not "clueless" when it comes to backpacking. I just don't have any experience with actually doing it. That's why I am turning to you. For extra input. However it is really useful to me if you tell me that there might be more people interested with survivalists. When it comes to the whole on-off button thing, would it be helpful to make sure it'll be really easy to smother the fire? Also in stead of telling me I am clueless and do not grasp a few important nuances to this sport, you could also actually explain what I am clueless about. That way, I might realize myself that I'm not at the right place in stead of just feeling like I'm stupid for asking people for help.
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Post by N.d.L. Projects on Feb 22, 2017 1:13:04 GMT -8
If your worried about your IP, you need to hire a patent attorney to conduct a search. That way you are not impinging on another's IP. Welcome to the world of product development Hiring a patent attorney would be a bit of an overkill for a student's 10 week project don't you think?
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Post by N.d.L. Projects on Feb 22, 2017 1:16:35 GMT -8
You initially were talking about a way to dry wood. Using a wood stove to dry wood if you don't have any dry wood would be quite a trick. I agree with Almostthere. There's a limited market that already has several options. I guess I'm not in your target market either. I am still planning on implementing a way to dry wood with the stove. As far as I can tell the several options available could still be greatly improved. Which might also be the reason why not many people use a wood stove.
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