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Post by topshot on Aug 21, 2015 5:44:34 GMT -8
Thanks for the response. Yeah, I figured I would do something simple first and go from there. I'll probably invest in a GPS transponder as well if I anticipate doing much backpacking on my own. Invest in learning map and compass skills first. Though in your area, you'll be surrounded by trees a lot so a GPS can be handy when you can't see any landmarks. LOL. I personally don't carry one. FWIW, when I started backpacking in 2009 (at 42), my first real trip was 11 days solo in the Smokies (just over 100 miles total). Started with a 1 nighter, then a 2 nighter, then 3 other loops and one partially off trail side trip by the time I was done. I figured the Smokies would be a safe place to start though oddly I hardly ran into anybody else the entire time and the weather was perfect. Started small and worked up a bit since I didn't know how my out of shape body would handle the mountains and the many loops allowed me to see a lot of the park and bail whenever I wanted but I ran out of time. Then my first trip out west the next year I did with a partner since I wasn't sure how I'd handle real mountains and being in real wilderness as opposed to a what should have been a "busy" national park. Following year I went on my own. Now I've been taking my sons.
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Post by williamh4 on Aug 21, 2015 7:34:46 GMT -8
Thanks for the response. Yeah, I figured I would do something simple first and go from there. I'll probably invest in a GPS transponder as well if I anticipate doing much backpacking on my own. Invest in learning map and compass skills first. Though in your area, you'll be surrounded by trees a lot so a GPS can be handy when you can't see any landmarks. LOL. I personally don't carry one. I was thinking more along the lines of a PLB than something to use for navigation. When I told my wife I'd go alone if I couldn't find anyone to go with me, she said "what if you get hurt". I assumed there must be a device to use in such a case. So, I looked it up and there was the PLB! Very reasonably priced for something that might save your life.
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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on Aug 21, 2015 9:36:13 GMT -8
Invest in learning map and compass skills first This ^ I love backpacking solo, but I recommend finding someone experienced to join you on a couple trips first. Not just to learn safety things like 10 Essentials (map + compass being one of them), but also to help make sure your first experiences are pleasant - not marred by huge mistakes. Backpacking with people is a social experience, which can be great but can also create an artificial barrier to really enjoying your surroundings. Going solo is a totally immersive experience - you see more, hear more, smell more, feel more, connect more. Try sleeping outside with no walls, so you can lose all fear and all sense of separation. Enjoy!
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Post by topshot on Aug 23, 2015 18:05:48 GMT -8
I was thinking more along the lines of a PLB than something to use for navigation. When I told my wife I'd go alone if I couldn't find anyone to go with me, she said "what if you get hurt". I assumed there must be a device to use in such a case. So, I looked it up and there was the PLB! Very reasonably priced for something that might save your life. For the SE, I wouldn't bother with such a device though I concede that an emergency/accident can happen anywhere and anytime, of course. The SE is more crowded in general and not as remote. I'd rather invest in a decent Wilderness First Aid course than a 2-way satellite messenger or PLB. That being said, if your wife is adamant... nuff said.  I admit I have considered such a device a couple times since my now 9 year old son has been accompanying me into the wilderness the last 2 trips (and will continue to do so), but I just haven't been able to justify it for that one trip a year. We do try to text or call mom sometimes when we're on a peak/ridge. And we do leave our route plan, local emergency numbers, what we're wearing and the time she should call in the troops if she hasn't heard from us.
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Post by cweston on Aug 24, 2015 2:44:22 GMT -8
Yeah, I have rented a PLB a coup,e times when going on trips involving off-trail travel in very remote terrain where few folks go. It would seem like overkill to me in a popular trail area, but YMMV. (And spouse peace of mind is an excellent reason to carry a PLB.)
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Post by Westy on Aug 24, 2015 5:08:05 GMT -8
I was thinking more along the lines of a PLB I mostly hike solo, have a style similar to CW and live in the Intermountain West. I have a SPOT and use it on every hike regardless of location. A key factor is age. I recall being in the Wind Rivers during the search for Randy Udall several years ago. Caused a lot of angsts for his family, the SAR people and cost the tax payers well north of $1,000,000 to locate his remains. Essentially, he dropped dead of a cardiac arrest, leaving no clue as to his whereabouts. The point I remember is that he left a SPOT device in his car at the trailhead. So for me, it's more like an avalanche beacon, a considerate location device to find my remains in a worst case scenario. In my mind it's good manners. Sometimes my family may track my whereabouts on a daily basis for fun. As a veteran I am particularly cognizant that you can be here one minute and gone the next. Toss in my age, add the retirement factor (more time to hike)and it makes sense to have one. It's simply a risk management exercise using your personal criteria, risk probability, tolerance and consequences. Just another HYOH situation.
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Post by williamh4 on Aug 24, 2015 10:36:57 GMT -8
I was thinking more along the lines of a PLB I mostly hike solo, have a style similar to CW and live in the Intermountain West. I have a SPOT and use it on every hike regardless of location. A key factor is age. I recall being in the Wind Rivers during the search for Randy Udall several years ago. Caused a lot of angsts for his family, the SAR people and cost the tax payers well north of $1,000,000 to locate his remains. Essentially, he dropped dead of a cardiac arrest, leaving no clue as to his whereabouts. The point I remember is that he left a SPOT device in his car at the trailhead. So for me, it's more like an avalanche beacon, a considerate location device to find my remains in a worst case scenario. In my mind it's good manners. Sometimes my family may track my whereabouts on a daily basis for fun. As a veteran I am particularly cognizant that you can be here one minute and gone the next. Toss in my age, add the retirement factor (more time to hike)and it makes sense to have one. It's simply a risk management exercise using your personal criteria, risk probability, tolerance and consequences. Just another HYOH situation. I don't have a pile of cash laying around to invest in all kinds of equipment, but I think this will be a wise purchase. I am somewhat of a risk taker. I don't typically do anything stupid, but I'm probably a little too adventurous. I may have to squelch some of that natural tendency if I'm solo. I would like to be able to let someone know if something has gone awry (assuming I have the opportunity).
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 24, 2015 11:05:15 GMT -8
I finally caved in a got a PLB last year. My wife doesn't worry much about me, since she figures I know what I'm doing and she backpacks enough herself to have a good sense of the risks. The people who seem happiest about it are mainly at work. It's hard for some of them to differentiate between backpacking and riskier pursuits, like big wall climbing or BASE jumping.
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Post by williamh4 on Aug 24, 2015 11:29:55 GMT -8
I finally caved in a got a PLB last year. My wife doesn't worry much about me, since she figures I know what I'm doing and she backpacks enough herself to have a good sense of the risks. The people who seem happiest about it are mainly at work. It's hard for some of them to differentiate between backpacking and riskier pursuits, like big wall climbing or BASE jumping. It's the walls (or rocky, steep grades) that would be tempting for me. When I drive down an interstate and see a rock face off in the distance, I think to myself how fun it might be to climb it. Not so much a vertical rock face where I might need specialized equipment, but a challenging ascent. I have a family to consider when I'm tempted to act like a young man again, so I normally don't take unreasonable risks. But, curiosity might get the best of me. As I've never backpacked, I don't know this to be a fact, but I would guess there are things one might venture to do in the company of others, but steer away from when solo. Unlike you, I might cross over to the stupid side on occasion and my wife knows that all too well.
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 25, 2015 10:52:35 GMT -8
Yes, I have to say that I cut my risk tolerance way back when alone. I also cut it back when I had kids, just because I have a responsibility to them that I can't fulfill if I'm dead  I seem to have a better ability to draw back than my spouse, so maybe it's partly a guy thing (I will say that he has gotten more sensible in the last few years. Or maybe just more tired).
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Post by wanderboth on Aug 26, 2015 19:30:55 GMT -8
I'd advised against doing a long solo trip as your first trip. If you can't find anyone to go with, then I'd suggest looking for a local backpacking group. Many outfitters have some sort of program.
If you can't find that either, then I'd suggest doing a one nighter first. Honestly, more things can go wrong out there than you realize. Sure you understand the big issues like bears, storms, and sprained ankles... but there are smaller things that many people don't understand until it happens. Here's a quick list... swarm of bees, drunk high schoolers, soaked wood, poison ivy, spoiled food, diarrhea, and on and on.
I guess... what I'm trying to get at is... don't let this first trip put you off. That tends to happen to a lot of people. They go out unprepared expecting a great expedition, get their hearts broken, then never venture out again.
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Post by desert dweller on Aug 27, 2015 6:27:29 GMT -8
I guess... what I'm trying to get at is... don't let this first trip put you off. That tends to happen to a lot of people. They go out unprepared expecting a great expedition, get their hearts broken, then never venture out again. That's true. My first night solo was to a familiar place where I had hiked before with others. I was over-prepared on purpose. (This was before the ultra-light fad.) The experience taught me that the rewards far outweighed the risks. Over the past 35 years I have continued to evolve how I handle gear, attitude and terrain.
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Post by williamh4 on Aug 27, 2015 7:52:51 GMT -8
I'd advised against doing a long solo trip as your first trip. If you can't find anyone to go with, then I'd suggest looking for a local backpacking group. Many outfitters have some sort of program. If you can't find that either, then I'd suggest doing a one nighter first. Honestly, more things can go wrong out there than you realize. Sure you understand the big issues like bears, storms, and sprained ankles... but there are smaller things that many people don't understand until it happens. Here's a quick list... swarm of bees, drunk high schoolers, soaked wood, poison ivy, spoiled food, diarrhea, and on and on. I guess... what I'm trying to get at is... don't let this first trip put you off. That tends to happen to a lot of people. They go out unprepared expecting a great expedition, get their hearts broken, then never venture out again. Has this happened to anyone? Honestly, more than anything else (the elements, animals, food, etc.) the potential to cross paths with some wack job(s) has crossed my mind. I mean, if you're miles away from anyone else, I think that might give rise to someone acting a little crazy. Someone could off you in the middle of the wilderness and no one would ever know.
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Post by desert dweller on Aug 27, 2015 8:25:13 GMT -8
Has this happened to anyone? Honestly, more than anything else (the elements, animals, food, etc.) the potential to cross paths with some wack job(s) has crossed my mind. I mean, if you're miles away from anyone else, I think that might give rise to someone acting a little crazy. Someone could off you in the middle of the wilderness and no one would ever know. Actually, the farther you are from a trail head, the less likely you'll come across wackos. Most troublemakers don't venture far from their campsite. Get more than a day out and you'll be pretty safe. Having said that, I have walked through bee swarms, come across bandits near the Border, been followed and had unattended dogs charge at me. I've had my vehicle vandalized at a trailhead and detected false trail indicators. My take-away. Pay attention and use your wits.
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Post by williamh4 on Aug 27, 2015 8:47:15 GMT -8
Has this happened to anyone? Honestly, more than anything else (the elements, animals, food, etc.) the potential to cross paths with some wack job(s) has crossed my mind. I mean, if you're miles away from anyone else, I think that might give rise to someone acting a little crazy. Someone could off you in the middle of the wilderness and no one would ever know. Actually, the farther you are from a trail head, the less likely you'll come across wackos. Most troublemakers don't venture far from their campsite. Get more than a day out and you'll be pretty safe. Having said that, I have walked through bee swarms, come across bandits near the Border, been followed and had unattended dogs charge at me. I've had my vehicle vandalized at a trailhead and detected false trail indicators. My take-away. Pay attention and use your wits. I was going to ask about security of vehicles at trailheads. I can see how that would be tempting for someone inclined to vandalize or steal a vehicle. Particularly if you're on a multi-day backpacking trip.
A false trail indicator meaning someone was trying to lead hikers off the path?
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