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Post by hikerjer on Jan 19, 2017 22:12:53 GMT -8
No. No more than anywhere else. Less, probably.
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Post by vicioustom on Jan 19, 2017 23:10:53 GMT -8
That's kinda odd, why even try to put out legislation unless there's a perception of some sort of problem? It's not going to help his political career, will probably hurt it. Any likelyhood it will pass?
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Post by RumiDude on Jan 19, 2017 23:21:18 GMT -8
What's odd to me is the guy owns a Harley dealership and is probably aware of how motorcycles don't get the respet they need from auto drivers. Maybe if he were reminded of that he might realize how idiotic his proposal is.
There are many people who are otherwise courteous, yet can become unhinged almost when they find a bicycle rider in their lane. I have personally experienced their unhinging many times.
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Post by null on Jan 20, 2017 4:54:38 GMT -8
why even try to put out legislation unless there's a perception of some sort of problem I think you underestimate just how many voters would belligerently support legislation to address a non-problem.
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Post by absarokanaut on Jan 20, 2017 5:54:33 GMT -8
I must confess that at times cyclists riding 2 and three abreast times drives me crazy, then I am forced to admit to myself most cyclists are good people despite the rotten apples in front of me. We had a young girl kiled on her bike her quite a few years ago and I believe there is still a memorial/commemorative ride in her name. As much as I PRESONALLY wish bikes were indeed banned on certain roads I know I'm part of a great community where I'm not always going to get what I want. Yes, I'm with you, however begrudgingly, on this one Jer.
At the same time I am ADAMANTLY against Mountain Bikes in Wilderness Areas and on ALMOST all National Prak Trails.
Yeah, tengo un culero grande esta manana. Lo siento amigos mios.
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Post by hikerjer on Jan 20, 2017 7:14:57 GMT -8
I PRESONALLY wish bikes were indeed banned on certain roads I won't argue that point with you, absarokanat. There are, indeed, certain roads at certain times that are just not appropriate for bicyclists but to ban them across the board is idiotic. And as an enthusiastic mountain biker, I'm with you on your stance on mtn bikes in wilderness areas. No way!
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Post by desert dweller on Jan 20, 2017 7:36:55 GMT -8
I ride 1000 to 1500 miles a year all in town as a commuter. 99.9 percent is on two-lane marked bike roads, bike paths and residential roads. Even though almost all of Tucson's major crosstown arteries have a generous bike lane, clearly marked, I won't ride them for even a hundred yards. Except on very rare cases there is a way to avoid them.
As I tell anyone who will listen, "It's not about how good of a rider you are. It's about how bad of a driver they are."
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Post by hikerjer on Jan 20, 2017 9:20:00 GMT -8
I ride bike paths and trails every chance I get, but apparently, our bicycle infrastructure is nowhere as advanced as yours. My brother lives in a neighboring town 15 miles away. None of the back roads connecting the two towns have shoulders although they are lightly traveled. Also, there are no bike trails connecting the two cities. Under this bill, I couldn't ride them to visit my brother. However, I could ride the interstate freeway since it has a shoulder. Even though the speed limit is 80 mph, bicycles are allowed on the interstate in Montana. Ironic.
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Post by hikerjer on Jan 20, 2017 9:21:37 GMT -8
Any likelyhood it will pass? Probably not but with the group of Neanderthals controlling the state legislature, anything could happen.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 20, 2017 9:31:11 GMT -8
What's odd to me is the guy owns a Harley dealership and is probably aware of how motorcycles don't get the respet they need from auto drivers. Maybe if he were reminded of that he might realize how idiotic his proposal is. I don't know. My experience is that motorcyclists are among the least considerate when passing my on our narrow roads. And how are they even defining "2-lane highway"? Seems like they could end up banning bikes from essentially all roads, since that description would fit most roads outside of towns. The Montana tourist industry might want to pay attention.
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Post by reuben on Jan 20, 2017 9:51:12 GMT -8
I must confess that at times cyclists riding 2 and three abreast times drives me crazy, then I am forced to admit to myself most cyclists are good people despite the rotten apples in front of me. A few decades ago when I was a slim, fit triathlete, I did almost all of my training solo, but once in a while I rode with a few friends in what were basically "hammer sessions". One guy was notorious for just blindly veering to his left out into traffic, even when when we had a perfectly good shoulder. I can't remember his name now, but I told him several times, "Tom/Fred/Mark/John/whoever, if you ever do that and a car hits you I'm gonna tell the cops it was all your fault, because that's the truth." Some people are just a bit unconscious in various ways to varying degrees - cycling, texting, walking, paying bills... you name it.
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Post by autumnmist on Jan 20, 2017 9:52:56 GMT -8
... one local Republican legislator introduced a bill allowing alcohol to be consumed in a car while it's being driven as long as the driver isn't drinking. His passengers could be drinking. I could go on and on. I'm beginning to have visions of adult children romping around and acting silly with introduction of even more silly bills - all of this not in a bar, man cave or other refuge, but in the capitals of states and the entire nation. The Dark Ages are descending on us, but this time the plague is not medical.
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Post by RumiDude on Jan 20, 2017 10:53:42 GMT -8
My experience is that motorcyclists are among the least considerate when passing my on our narrow roads. And the ironic thing is they get so upset when a vehicle does the same to them. That is why one would think that they would be aware of the issues and show more respect to bicycles. Rumi
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Post by davesenesac on Jan 20, 2017 11:23:07 GMT -8
Searched web some and was surprised at all the news from all over the US and especially Europe on banning bicyclist from roads. In the Netherlands apparently bikes are now banned on most roads while they have an elaborate network of bicycle and walking pathways. As a California suburban kid that lived in several places, all we kids rode bicycles everywhere especially when weather was fair. In fact all the schools I went to had significant numbers of bicycle riders even when I lived in a very urban area of San Diego. But as an adult living in a dense urban area, I don't ride much because our streets are now much more dangerous and my leisure time is simply too busy already such that I have a list of activities I only wish I had time to at least occasionally partake in.
Complaints I read are about disruptions to motor vehicle traffic, increasing bicyclist being hit by vehicles, costs to cities being forced to implement expensive bike lanes on roads that also sometimes decrease numbers of lanes, and some groups of bicyclists that annoyingly ride in parallel instead of single file that indicates a car versus bike attitude when they can assert themselves in numbers.
I have always been one that dislikes one size fits all type of black and white laws and policies, dumbing whatever down to lowest common denominators. Thus from my perspective a pragmatic solution would be to ban bicycles from SOME roads and highways, on SOME days and or times of day and then see how that worked out. If there are some problems then tweak policy and whatever.
Along with that would be to actually ENFORCE many moving vehicle laws that are currently being disregarded. Many of these disregarded laws are of course dangerous to not only bicyclist but also pedestrians, and many other drivers including those of us that obey laws. Driving in California and especially urban areas generally has become ridiculous and I blame politicians and special interest groups that pull their strings. For instance turning right on a red traffic light without stopping. Excessive speeding by the vast army impatient drivers on residential and business district streets. The list is long.
Some will whine our police need to concentrate on real crime. And too many poor people who can barely afford living in cities would be fined. Well if the state contracted out private companies with current era video surveillance to identify those behaving badly such that they would land in court and pay fines, divided by those companies and the state, I will guaranty our state would make billions to help pay down our huge debt. And that would make riding bicycles safer too.
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Post by vicioustom on Jan 20, 2017 11:26:33 GMT -8
That is why one would think that they would be aware of the issues and show more respect to bicycles. Rumi One would think. I tend to see a lot of bike riders, motorized and otherwise, in this area behaving like they own the road. There's been a pretty drastic upturn of bicycle commuter here in the past couple of years because of DUIs, so that may factor into it.
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