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Post by lumberfox on Jan 15, 2017 12:42:47 GMT -8
So I've been struggling with this question for a while now while updating my gear. I've had the same puffy and fleece for most of my trips out, and have had great usage for them both, but I just don't know if I should be taking both because of space issues. The puffy packs down tight and neat, but the same cannot be said for the fleece I have. And as I'm a relatively new backpacker (been camping for years, usually a day hike or two) I was wondering what you guys think of the situation
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Post by tomas on Jan 15, 2017 12:59:05 GMT -8
Down without question. The fleece is good for day hikes when you keep moving. But unless it is an unusually mild winter where you live, down is the better option for overnight.
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Post by ctp631 on Jan 15, 2017 15:23:37 GMT -8
It could depends on how cold it is and if your down jacket will be warm enough at those temps in camp. If it's cold enough to wear the fleece the whole time as a midlayer(active layer), why not take both. That way only the down jacket is in backpack. If your concerned about weight also, you could use your sleeping bag as warmth at the campsite by wrapping it around you or stuffing it under your rain jacket/windshirt.
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Post by markskor on Jan 15, 2017 16:49:09 GMT -8
As an off-trail, fisherman, dirt bag, never been a big fan of down's thin puffy sleeves in the backcountry (too easy to rip), but a down vest has a place. For me, a sophisticated layering system is much preferred. Assuming not winter camping, (down mandatory in winter), but for a regular, late spring/summer/early fall backpacking season Sierra, suggest: Light, long sleeve shirt - when hiking Fleece layer - always ready - lives on the very top of my backpack Good, light, down vest...(Like the WM Flite series). Waterproof (2.5 GTX?) outer shell layer w/ hood... Maybe a pair of finger-less wool gloves and a wool balaclava.
Thus both.
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Post by trinity on Jan 15, 2017 17:10:18 GMT -8
I typically take both. Yes, down makes a lot more sense in the weight/warmth ratio department, but I just think a lightweight fleece gives me a lot of flexibility. I carry a Patagonia R1 fleece and a Patagonia Ultralight Down Hoodie. Both are very lightweight, and together they will keep me comfortable in most conditions I am likely to encounter. I am more likely to be wearing the R1 if I am on the move and need some extra warmth, the hoodie is more for chilly temps around camp.
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Post by crawford on Jan 15, 2017 18:06:25 GMT -8
I'm not exactly sure what seasons you want to be out in. I'm also not sure what sort of fleece you have, whether a heavy jacket type, a fleece shirt, or somewhere in between. Generally I would go along with what trinity said. In cold weather, I carry polypro base layers, a fleece shirt, a puffy, and a shell jacket. With this combo I'm pretty good down to about 20, or just a bit lower, in camp. If I get cold I can wrap in my sleeping bag. On the trail I can mix and match my layers based on temp, sun, wind, etc. It is your call. Carry what gives you confidence or experiment with less and build confidence in a new set up.
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Post by gabby on Jan 15, 2017 18:18:51 GMT -8
Down for lightness and compressibility.
However, if it's a short (length or haul) trip I've carried both. I like the feel of fleece better than nylon, but I don't like the amount of room it takes in a pack.
I also have a few very lightweight, and fairly compressible, Montbell synthetic parkas/jackets ("inner" garment, so no pockets or frills) which I have used as additional "insurance". These are really thin - but just enough extra warmth to make a difference - synthetic Montbell garments, one of which saved me from what would have been an uncomfortably cold night when the temps plunged unexpectedly - without having, I might mention, to give up my "pillow", my final reserve that actually is a down jacket.
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Post by BigLoad on Jan 15, 2017 18:36:10 GMT -8
I carry a Patagonia R1 fleece and a Patagonia Ultralight Down Hoodie. Both are very lightweight, and together they will keep me comfortable in most conditions I am likely to encounter. I am more likely to be wearing the R1 if I am on the move and need some extra warmth, the hoodie is more for chilly temps around camp. My approach is quite similar. I carry a Patagonia R1 hoodie for warmth on the go, and a GoLite UL down jacket for use in camp. Worn together, they're good to about 15F. I haven't found conditions yet I'd be willing to forego the R1 entirely in favor of down.
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Post by lumberfox on Jan 15, 2017 19:36:25 GMT -8
So my set up as is:Hawke and co 650 fill down jacket, Colombia glennaker lake jacket, and a colombia omni heat fleece. I plan on three ish season, meaning I may go early spring and late fall as well. I would like my outings to be 3-6 days, and would also like to eventually get into thru hiking.
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Post by hikerjer on Jan 15, 2017 20:32:07 GMT -8
Just got back from a long day of cross-country skiing. 20-25 degrees. Sunny skies, no wind. I wore a Patagonia fleece vest over a smart wool base layer and synthetic shirt and a wool baseball hat. That was plenty warm when skiing in and up. At lunch, a down jacket came on along with a wool hat. Skiing out I wore a gore-tex shell over my fleece vest but the down jacket was hardly necessary. I was very comfortable the whole time. I believe the same clothing system would be comfortable in much colder weather except I might wear the shell and wool hat skiing in.
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Post by toejam on Jan 15, 2017 22:06:33 GMT -8
Both. A single piece is not enough for every condition. I may take either or both.
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Post by tigger on Jan 16, 2017 6:16:25 GMT -8
If I'm choosing between the two, I choose down. In summer, that is my only insulation layer. I use a long sleeve synthetic to help keep the mosquitoes at bay and a down jacket to throw on at camp. In winter, I often bring the same but have a rain shell to go over the top and at camp, I swap out to a merino wool base layer. I rarely bring a synthetic fleece layer unless I know it will reach single digits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 7:06:17 GMT -8
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Post by markskor on Jan 16, 2017 8:31:55 GMT -8
PCT journals are a great resource for what particular gear was successfully carried on their thru hikes. Nice post! Probably the most thorough list of what is available out there today that works well. However, long distance hikers are a slightly different breed of hiker than most...sure, most opt for the lightest, smallest, and best quality gear available. (Thru-hikers constantly talk and compare their choices...well-tested gear is recommended and opinions are always shared - that which fails is also noted too.) Gear is always a major topic on the trail...so is food!
You should realize that most of these hikers never get more than a quarter mile off any trail... carry the minimum...all about the miles...no frills...no fishing (and no food). Regular backpacker comforts and especially off-trail gear may be slightly beefier.
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Post by ErnieW on Jan 17, 2017 6:19:48 GMT -8
Surprised no one has mentioned the water effect. A fall crossing a stream and your down may go to zero insulation. Fleece can be wrung out and have some insulation value. I have never tried it but I'm thinking it would be pretty hard to dry down in front of a fire.
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