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Post by keirac on Dec 27, 2016 5:06:21 GMT -8
My daughter and I are planning a 4 day trip this summer. For those who have been there, how did you prepare your kids for their first trip? We hike a few times each year, she is a dancer (great core strength and endurance), and she loves camping. We've started gathering gear, and she knows she will be responsible for carrying some things, and is very excited about all aspects of the trip, but mostly eating freeze-dried food.
my concern is making sure she is strong enough to carry a pack for 4 days. We are scheduling day hikes to prepare, but I don't want to make it a chore for her before we even go. What did you do?
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Post by trinity on Dec 27, 2016 14:19:01 GMT -8
I think my first suggestion would be to not try a 4 day trip on your first time out. You know yourself and your daughter better than I, but that's an awful lot to take on for a first trip. I've still never been out for more than an overnighter with my 7 year old, though I think he's now ready for longer trips. I would guess your daughter is more than up for it physically, at that age it's more a matter of staying motivated and not getting bored. Be prepared to carry the majority of the gear, and think of ways to make things fun. With my child that means taking frequent breaks, not trying to hike too far, and going places where there are opportunities for him to splash around, he loves playing in creeks, lakes, and rivers. Whatever will make things fun for your daughter, try to incorporate it into your trip. Bring a few of her comfort items from home (books, stuffed animals, blankets, etc). This is not a time for ultralighting. I usually bring a dessert from Packit Gourmet to share, which makes things fun for him, as well as hot chocolate for the mornings. Anything you can think of to keep things easy and fun on her first times out will pay huge dividends in the long run. I know I kind of haven't answered your question, but I just don't think her challenges will be physical, and if you are planning a hike where she will need to train, you are almost certainly taking on too much, IMHO. I totally applaud you for planning a backpacking trip with your daughter, I've been taking my son out since he was 5, and though it is frequently challenging and difficult, it is also one of the greatest joys of my life.
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Post by keirac on Dec 27, 2016 15:12:23 GMT -8
That was actually very helpful. We have a few out-and back overnights nearby that we could do, which might be a good prep for her. She is ridiculously responsible for her age, and great at helping with things, following directions, and even some basic cooking skills, so I guess we're off to a good start!
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Post by trinity on Dec 27, 2016 16:41:45 GMT -8
She is ridiculously responsible for her age, and great at helping with things, following directions, and even some basic cooking skills, so I guess we're off to a good start! Definitely. My Samuel, though a great kid, has some behavioral issues, his challenges backpacking have been emotional, not physical. You're very right, your odds of success are high due to the temperament of your child. Actually, one of the best things I did to prep my child was to take him car camping. He probably had a dozen bag nights in developed campgrounds before I ever tried to take him into the back country. This gave him time to get comfortable in a tent, and gave me the opportunity to make mistakes in a more controllable environment.
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Post by keirac on Dec 27, 2016 16:55:38 GMT -8
We're avid campers. We go about 12 times per year. We actually have a camper, but often the kids (cousins) will tent, and my daughter has her own tent that she has slept in on numerous occasions, so that part I'm not worried about. I'm really worried about boredom on her part, as four days of wilderness seems like a lot. She's a pretty techy kid. Maybe I could put her in charge of video blogging our trip? I have a solar charger for my cell phone. And also eating the food that she is so excited about, although I suppose she'll be so hungry by mealtime, she likely won't care if it isn't as good as what we usually eat.
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Post by keirac on Dec 27, 2016 16:59:10 GMT -8
Also, the trail we're doing has camp sites about every 6 miles. Most people do the whole trail in 3-5 days, but we are going to skip the mountains on each end, and still take 4 days, which will have us camping at all 3 mid-trail camps. I was thinking 6 miles would be a full day, with lots of stops, extended meal breaks, and fun and games when we see it.
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Post by rebeccad on Dec 27, 2016 22:54:25 GMT -8
It sounds like you are well on the way to being ready. Of course, the best way for a kid not to be bored on a hike is to have another kid along (something we had built-in, with our 2 boys being almost the same age and all). Plan to focus more on "cool stuff" like water, rather than views. I don't think my guys started to appreciate big vistas until they were nearing their teens, and they still don't get as excited about flowers as we do  although I suppose she'll be so hungry by mealtime, she likely won't care if it isn't as good as what we usually eat. This is likely true IF you kid is generally a good eater. Eldest Son has Asperger's, and food is one of his issues. He would often find that when he was tired and hungry at the end of the day his fussiness actually went up. I learned to carry a lot of his favorite granola bars and we were always prepared to eat whatever the kids didn't.
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Post by Westy on Dec 27, 2016 23:01:44 GMT -8
You will be A-OK. It's all mental. As you stated your daughter is active as a dancer so fitness will not be your issue. The six miles per day is just about right. Knowing your location and it's reputation for black flies and mosquitos, you know the seasons, long sleeve shirts and pants with a dash of DEET may keep moral going. As far as fun, our kids needed to be involved, so each carried their own gear and one team item. They need to be accountable for the item as in, "please get me the ----". Translated that means let the young person get it and pack it without the mom helicopter. We also gave them an assignment such as filtering water or responsibility for the tent stakes, something, anything to give them a job.
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Post by zeke on Dec 28, 2016 5:45:21 GMT -8
OK, finally something I can chime in on. Bugs. The biting variety. If you are heading out in truly bad bug season, then I would recommend spraying the long pants, socks, and long sleeved shirt with a solution of permethrin, like found here. Do this at home, in a well ventilated area like the garage, and let them dry for a couple of days. There are ways to make a stronger spray, but that will mean a trip to a farm supply and more research on your part. The Sawyer spray will work fine for a single trip.
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Post by trinity on Dec 28, 2016 5:58:05 GMT -8
keirac , sounds to me like y'all are in great shape, you've done everything you can to increase the odds of success. Y'all are going to have a great time.
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Post by autumnmist on Dec 28, 2016 7:45:40 GMT -8
keirac, I think giving her an area in which she can excel, such as video blogging, is a good way to keep her interested, focused, feeling that she's contributing something unique to her skills, and documenting at the same time. Great idea!
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Post by topshot on Dec 31, 2016 16:13:04 GMT -8
Agree with Trinity to do at least a couple shorter trips to work out any bugs and see what works best for you both like what food may not be so good.  I started our youngest at 4.5 with an overnighter followed immediately by a 2-nighter (spring break). After a couple more trips in the Appalachians, he graduated to challenging several day trips in the Rockies before he turned 8, carrying all his gear (except his pad). He's fairly small and not an "athlete" so I'm sure your daughter will be fine. Keep her pack weight no more than 15% of her weight. My son uses an REI Flash 22 now. I think the most difficult thing for me has been keeping him motivated. When he's bored he'll putz around and claim he's tired. Yet if someone passes us, he'll run to keep up with them and talk their ear off (he's very social). So I constantly come up with goals or interesting places to see. Heading back out is a motivator. We normally do long miles the last day heading back to the car. Headnets and permethrin-treated clothing are required if you'll be in areas with high bug pressure. +1 on keeping kids at least somewhat warm and dry since they get colder much faster than we do. Keep feeding the furnace, too, with several snack breaks. Whatever you do make sure she has fun! He was quite disappointed he didn't get to do a trip this past summer with me. This despite some scary or not so fun experiences in the past, like an electrical storm as we reached one summit and huddling in a stand of dead pines for an hour during a hailstorm.
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Post by jazzmom on Jan 3, 2017 15:26:49 GMT -8
My son was 9 yo on his first backpack, a 5-day'er in the Grand Canyon. He hiked circles around us without doing any hiking-specific training. If your daughter's involved in athletics of any kind, I bet she'll be fine physically. He was used to tent-camping and day-hiking, and really had no issues adjusting to backpacking.
He was a skinny kid, weighed maybe 55lb soaking wet. We had trouble finding a "real" backpack with a waist belt that fit. We got him the Deuter Fox30, which was just the right size, but the fully-cinched waist belt would invariably slide right over his non-existent hips. He didn't complain because he was used to carrying his school backpack with all the weight on his shoulders. By the time I noticed, his shoulders were pretty raw. We duct-taped extra clothing on the waist belt and shoulder straps. I later ended up sewing on more padding on the waist belt.
His total pack weight was right around 15lb at the trailhead. The Grand Canyon means carrying a lot of water. He used my hand-me-downs for gear, so relatively decent UL gear. Carried all his own gear, clothes, some of the food and water. He took a reading book for camp, and we had games like Yahtzee.
My son was a really picky eater but he liked the Mountain House Lasagna -- and would have been perfectly happy eating that every night. Didn't like oatmeal, so we carried a big bag of Cheerios and a jar of peanut butter and made Cheerio "balls" glued together with peanut butter. I concentrated on getting enough calories in him and not so much about exact nutrition.
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Post by rebeccad on Jan 4, 2017 9:04:24 GMT -8
My son was a really picky eater but he liked the Mountain House Lasagna There must be something about that dish. It's one of the few my picky eater would (and will) eat. And we had that same issue with the hip belt. I had a bunch of pictures on the old forum to show how I sewed on the padding. I think either peeb or ponderosa ended up with that pack. Wonder if it's still out there and ready for the next skinny kid? :D
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Post by Ed on Jan 4, 2017 9:49:35 GMT -8
rebeccad are these the pics? 123Sorry, I didn't know of any other way to post them.
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