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Post by tipiwalter on Oct 7, 2016 4:09:55 GMT -8
All good points already made. Here in the Southeast we get winter rains which can be counted as storms on an hourly basis, as in My 150 hour Rainstorm or My 180 Hour Rainstorm etc. Presently unfortunately we are in an October drought but this will end in the next couple weeks.
If I'm on, say, a 21 day backpacking trip into a wilderness with hundreds of miles of trails, I have the option and freedom to wake up in my tent in a butt cold rain and sit put all day for a zero if needed and wait for a window of movement. This system works well for me even though on occasion I do hike in a pouring rain. If it's really bad I'll carry my ground cloth on the outside of my pack and use it on the trail as Daveg suggests---to cover me and my pack in the worst deluges as I wait in squat mode next to my pack.
Everyone's different but on most of my trips I like to move everyday and be at a different campsite every night. It keeps trip momentum up to move and I can stick to my before-leaving schedule and route plan. I save my rest day zeros for storm days or blizzard storms and deep snow events. On one trip 6 years ago I got hit with 3 blizzards in a row and spent 4 days atop a TN bald at 5,300 feet in deep snow and moved a couple miles and a thousand feet lower and spent the next 7 days stuck in place at 0F in deep snow.
Severe cold snaps are just as bad as butt cold rainstorms---going to -10F with my tent locked in ice and snow usually keeps me stationary for another zero. A low severe cold snap to subzero numbers is just like a Storm Event---I call it a Cold Storm. You've got rain storms and wind storms and snow storms and also cold storms.
Point is, a backpacker always has the choice to go or stay, to hike or to hunker in. Hunkering In is a vital component to bad weather backpacking. And I carry a large 37 sq foot tent perfect for hunkering in if need be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 4:19:51 GMT -8
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Post by tigger on Oct 7, 2016 5:59:21 GMT -8
Oh yeah. I forgot to mention I have a pair of Gore-Tex sock liners. If your feet do get soaked via a river crossing or water dripping down into your boots (past your gaiters), having a pair of Gore-Tex sock liners over a dry pair of socks is awesome.
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Post by tipiwalter on Oct 7, 2016 6:02:11 GMT -8
First off, Altair never returned to his thread to post anything more so how can you say he has a goody healthy dose of what not to do, based on his experience? ? What experience? He did state "It must be kinda cold" and "what worries me is the rain" and "Fall rain makes you so cold." And from this you gleaned he has enough experience to know what not to do? Plus, I'm wary of people who start a thread and don't return.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 6:15:39 GMT -8
Oh yeah. I forgot to mention I have a pair of Gore-Tex sock liners. If your feet do get soaked via a river crossing or water dripping down into your boots (past your gaiters), having a pair of Gore-Tex sock liners over a dry pair of socks is awesome. Do you have to wear boots that are two sizes big to fit all that?
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Post by almostthere on Oct 7, 2016 6:46:40 GMT -8
My Gore-Tex liners fit in my shoes over my wool socks. They make those early spring stream crossings a lot easier to bear since you can hike in them for a while until your shoes are dry.
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Post by tigger on Oct 7, 2016 6:50:04 GMT -8
Do you have to wear boots that are two sizes big to fit all that? I purchase my fall/winter boots large enough to fit expedition weight Smartwools comfortably. Gore-Tex sock liners are quite thin and fit nicely over a pair of mid-weight Smartwools and still fit nicely in my Gore-Tex boots. The gaiters obviously go over the outside of the whole getup. The Gore-Tex OR Crocks are the most important part of keeping my footwear dry. I've been able to cross creeks nearly up to my knees dry just by moving fast with my setup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 7:26:10 GMT -8
Do you have to wear boots that are two sizes big to fit all that? I purchase my fall/winter boots large enough to fit expedition weight Smartwools comfortably. Gore-Tex sock liners are quite thin and fit nicely over a pair of mid-weight Smartwools and still fit nicely in my Gore-Tex boots. The gaiters obviously go over the outside of the whole getup. The Gore-Tex OR Crocks are the most important part of keeping my footwear dry. I've been able to cross creeks nearly up to my knees dry just by moving fast with my setup. And your feet don't sweat like hell??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 7:35:34 GMT -8
I purchase my fall/winter boots large enough to fit expedition weight Smartwools comfortably. Gore-Tex sock liners are quite thin and fit nicely over a pair of mid-weight Smartwools and still fit nicely in my Gore-Tex boots. The gaiters obviously go over the outside of the whole getup. The Gore-Tex OR Crocks are the most important part of keeping my footwear dry. I've been able to cross creeks nearly up to my knees dry just by moving fast with my setup. And your feet don't sweat like hell?? When I use a similar setup, no.
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Post by tigger on Oct 7, 2016 7:38:58 GMT -8
And your feet don't sweat like hell?? Fall/Winter around here fluctuates. In the Cascades, top temps hit around 60F and are usually in the mid fifties. Temps dip into teens and occasionally single digits at night. It's usually plenty cool enough. The only time I use the Gore-Tex liners is if my boots have been submerged to the point of wetting out. At that point, it's beyond cool enough in my boots and the extra liner is a welcome addition. When it's raining and near freezing, keeping moving so I don't get too cold but not warm enough to wet out my clothing layers seems to be the biggest challenge.
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Post by johntpenca on Oct 7, 2016 7:42:00 GMT -8
Plus, I'm wary of people who start a thread and don't return. That is one of my pet peeves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 7:46:58 GMT -8
And your feet don't sweat like hell?? Fall/Winter around here fluctuates. In the Cascades, top temps hit around 60F and are usually in the mid fifties. Temps dip into teens and occasionally single digits at night. It's usually plenty cool enough. The only time I use the Gore-Tex liners is if my boots have been submerged to the point of wetting out. At that point, it's beyond cool enough in my boots and the extra liner is a welcome addition. When it's raining and near freezing, keeping moving so I don't get too cold but not warm enough to wet out my clothing layers seems to be the biggest challenge. Interesting. I've been considering a set up like that, but haven't made a move yet. My bike messenger years of all year riding got me used to being wet, and just "dealing" with it, but..... Gets old.
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Post by Hungry Jack on Oct 7, 2016 8:27:49 GMT -8
I read the OP and thought it was basically a hoax, or a fiction created by someone who was seeking material for some type of marketing activity. It reminded me of Amy Diercon, who works for a Chinese manufacturer and is gathering ideas here from experienced users to help market their products. No crime it that, but the OP here concocted some story about being in -10C weather and having to do jumping jacks to stay warm. It smells like total BS.
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Post by rebeccad on Oct 7, 2016 9:00:02 GMT -8
My bike messenger years of all year riding got me used to being wet, and just "dealing" with it, You too? I was a messenger in Seattle in the 80s. Definitely learned to be rained on, but hypothermia was a real risk if you had to wait around for the next call.
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Post by zeke on Oct 7, 2016 9:01:41 GMT -8
altair was last online 10 hours ago, but did not post. I can only assume he was reading this thread. My own impression of the OP was one of a young person, or someone with some difficulties.
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