tarol
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Post by tarol on Oct 20, 2016 9:36:18 GMT -8
I can see your point. But I think we all value silence in the backcountry, and any Mother or Father would obviously do everything they could to keep their baby from disturbing others and so they could get some sleep as well. In all the nights I've camped, whether front country or backcountry, I've never heard a child cry all night long. A little here and there, sure, but that is to be expected of any baby. I have been kept up until the wee hours of the morning, however, by boisterous young men who packed in alcohol. Point is, if you stay in a developed campsite anywhere, especially within a few miles of a trailhead where things like babies or alcohol are more likely to be packed in by others, then I would be prepared for any type of loud noises or disturbances. I learned to always bring ear plugs, they don't weigh a thing and work wonders for snoring backpacking partners, boisterous groups in the next campsite, flapping tent noise in high wind, etc. Or, if you want to maximize your chances of solitude and silence, then go further, or better yet, go off trail to find your campsite. My LNT Master Education course was in Lyell Canyon, Yosemite, a very popular place, and within a few miles of the trailhead. But we left the trail, crossed the river, and found a durable campsite up on a bench above the river. We didn't hear a thing all night long, except the bear that knocked over our food canisters.
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Post by CompassRds on Oct 20, 2016 10:00:41 GMT -8
You want to call things dumb… Fine. I won’t stoop so low as to (edit: call) your idea of a peaceful wilderness dumb, but would definitely call it a fantasy, and pretty damn ignorant one. With very few exceptions (solo on Cuny Table, into Palmer Creek), it’s rarely been that for me. But I got over it fast. People with their off-leash dogs (I’ve been bitten), mountain bikers on trails they aren’t supposed to be on (I’ve been clipped and dumped on my ass), drone pilots in the wilderness (disturbance), 2 wide trail runners that take up the entire up-hill (rude), summit parties and after-summit parties (loud drunks), people screwing like wild donkey’s in the in the night (more loud drunks), people with music at all hours (from parties to wake-up alarms more rudeness), 3-4am when people head for dawn at the summit (rude), etc. Last year, when St. Helen’s Climbers Bivouac was shaping up to be a party, my small group packed it up re-set-up down the road. I would suggest you that you follow advice from rebeccad and tarol and stop trying to camp at established sites, or maybe do what I do when confronted by campsite that is shaping up to be loud... MOVE.
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Post by CompassRds on Oct 20, 2016 10:04:32 GMT -8
Or, in the name of this being a helpful interchange, you learn to deal with it... Like the rest of us have... Even before we had children.
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tarol
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Post by tarol on Oct 20, 2016 14:59:29 GMT -8
Well, yes, even if you're the first at an established site. Remember, you don't own the site, it's public land. Even at a front country developed campground this is true. Unless the people next to you are doing something illegal, it's pretty unlikely anything can or will be done. I took many, many calls from people in forest and park campgrounds over the years complaining about rude/obnoxious neighbors. Campground hosts can only do so much, and LEO's are few and far between. Backcountry camping you're pretty much on your own. Being a female and on the short side I have opted to move a few times away from people that were loud or sketchy, rather than confront them. You may be able to strike up a friendly conversation with others about the matter, but be prepared for it going either way.
My first reaction to the situation is I'd offer to help with a fussy baby, but I was always motherly even before I was a mother.
And my experience with my son and small cousins is anytime they were crying, if I walked outside, they would stop. Babies generally love being outdoors.
And, once again, if all else fails, ear plugs are fabulous things for all kinds of problems.
Hope that helps, now please get out there and go have fun instead of hanging around here online with a bunch of moms/dads.
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Post by johntpenca on Oct 23, 2016 16:17:37 GMT -8
SWT. I'm still not really clear who you are yet. Met Mdayly in Yos BITD but did not climb with him. Cheers to you.
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Post by mamabeargreen on Oct 25, 2016 8:16:21 GMT -8
Well, this got ridiculous fast. We take plenty of safety precautions and I know how to monitor my baby's temperature and comfort level. I would never take him on a trail without the proper clothing for the weather. He wears layers just like the rest of us do while hiking. Also, with that style of carrier his legs don't chafe. He is basically sitting in a chair.
I came back to the thread to tell you all how my trip went this week, but I'll start a new thread since this one got all wild.
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Post by mamabeargreen on Oct 25, 2016 8:19:52 GMT -8
I will say this though. We car camped one night next to this older couple who had been at the campsite for a week. They said were the quietest neighbors they had all week and were impressed with our son's behavior. We are teaching our boy to respect nature and leave no trace rules even at a year old. Screaming children annoy me just as much as they annoy anyone else while camping.
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tarol
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Post by tarol on Nov 1, 2016 14:29:52 GMT -8
Ridiculous is right. Babies have every right to be in the woods as anyone else does. Introducing children to the outdoors at an early age is the right thing to do and benefits everyone who loves the outdoors. We need the next generation of people connected to the outdoors, not apart from it. Google Children and Nature network if you have any doubt in your mind of that.
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Ed
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Post by Ed on Nov 2, 2016 6:23:01 GMT -8
And now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... 
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Post by CompassRds on Nov 2, 2016 7:16:47 GMT -8
One would hope, as I think there are some important takeaways that could still be discussed and shouldn't get buried.
Though we are not ready to backpack with our baby yet, I do train with baby all the time, and we have gone on some higher mileage hikes with her. This past summer, when it was hot and dry I got paranoid about hyperthermia, and me not noticing it fast enough, even when my wife was there, so I bought a small acrylic mirror to check her with, a clip on fan, and a carried a spray bottle to mist us with occasionally.
(edit: I not sure I would have done the same if it was humid, as for evaporative cooling to work it has to evaporate. But then again this is why I had the mirror, evaluating the situation.)
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Post by mamabeargreen on Nov 3, 2016 11:47:29 GMT -8
Smart plan. We also like those fitness cooling cloths. They work well in the carrier and keep the sweat down.
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rebeccad
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Post by rebeccad on Nov 4, 2016 7:34:35 GMT -8
The only times I felt like we had issues with hyperthermia (since we mostly hiked at altitudes where it's not THAT hot) was when the infant was in the front carrier. There's not a lot of air circulating in that mode, so it seemed a risk. OTOH, it made ME so hot that I'm pretty sure I would have been in trouble before the baby. Nothing like strapping a little furnace to your chest to keep you overheated 
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Post by CompassRds on Nov 4, 2016 7:47:55 GMT -8
Tell me about it, I hiked with one of those front carriers last October-December. I could really tell when her brown-fat heating had kicked in. But, if I didn't notice fast enough she let me know.
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