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Post by tipiwalter on Sept 25, 2016 18:09:09 GMT -8
By this reasoning, practically everything but a four season tent is a bad tent. I can't say I agree with you here. A tent doesn't have to usable in all conditions to be "trustworthy" tent. There are simply some tents designed for certain purposes, Sounds reasonable except conditions change and usually without warning. I do alot of my camping atop open balds and ridgelines where you can set up at 6pm under a clear calm sky and by 3am be caught in a 60mph hellstorm with microburst hellwinds and horizontal whipping rain. Therefore the "trustworthy" aspect of your tent becomes important. If a backpacker is seriously worried about encountering such changing conditions in his 3 season tent or tarp, he probably will get spooked and bail to lower ground by necessity or never go up high to begin with. For those who have found suitable shelters that have been tested in all conditions, well, these people won't get spooked because they are using a shelter inside their "circle of trust." |
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Post by dirthurts on Sept 26, 2016 7:05:20 GMT -8
I do alot of my camping atop open balds and ridgelines where you can set up at 6pm under a clear calm sky and by 3am be caught in a 60mph hellstorm with microburst hellwinds and horizontal whipping rain. Therefore the "trustworthy" aspect of your tent becomes important. I'm with you here. I love camping in precarious locations, so having a tough tent is important. I usually get by with a 3-season, except for when it's cold out, I'll pack a proven 4 season then. But my point is you cannot discount an ultralight tent for not holding up to 4 season conditions, which is what is happening here. It's a bad choice of tent, not a bad tent. I'm honestly impressed that the poles didn't snap though...considering. Not a shelter I'll have use for either way. |
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Post by tipiwalter on Sept 26, 2016 10:38:14 GMT -8
But my point is you cannot discount an ultralight tent for not holding up to 4 season conditions, which is what is happening here. You're right if you just do a casual study of all the tents I have seen on my trips. Most of them are 3 season things and withstand pretty much whatever conditions encountered for a weekend trip, even in the winter. Here are all the "random tents" I have seen on my trips in the last 15 years--- tipiwalter.smugmug.com/keyword/random%20tents/And its corollary---Tarp Camping--- tipiwalter.smugmug.com/keyword/tarp%20camping/ |
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Post by dirthurts on Sept 26, 2016 18:31:11 GMT -8
Nice photos btw Tipi. You seem to be as big of a fan of tents as I am! I thought I was the only one...
It looks like you're very close to me. I'm in East Tn. We have some pretty slick balds out here too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 11:57:24 GMT -8
Hi, I'm new to this forum. There's not much I can contribute, but I do have a question. In the outsideonline article they write about "very high winds blowing steadily at about 35 miles per hour, and gusting up to 50 miles per hour or more." They add that "A standard backpacking tent wouldn’t have stood up to the abuse."
Solid wind speeds, yes, but "very high"? A decent 3-season backpacking tent should be able to handle 35 mph easily and survive 50 mph gusts without damage, no?
Now my question. Is it that typical pole structure of the Hubba that makes it so vulnerable, even with that long cross-pole added?
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Post by tigger on Oct 2, 2016 12:51:15 GMT -8
40 mph is stronger than you think. Without real guyouts and plenty of them, most two pole dome tents will flatten or come close to it in 40 mph winds. Will they survive? Most likely.
In regards to your question, (although I don't personally own one) - There just simply is not enough meat on that tent structure-wise to give me comfort. The place where it needs it the most is where it is most lacking. The only thing that would keep that tent up at all in wind is the guyouts because the structure isn't nearly strong enough. That would flap and fold like nobody's business. Even if it did "survive" a good wind storm, you'd never sleep through it.
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