balzaccom
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Post by balzaccom on Sept 15, 2016 13:38:58 GMT -8
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neita
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Post by neita on Sept 19, 2016 12:56:46 GMT -8
Sometimes I wonder why I come to this forum because I find myself reading about hiking, more than actually hiking itself. And the #1 reason I've reduced my hiking: unleashed dogs. On the AT. In Maryland.
I have always been timid around dogs. Then this past winter, I was bit on the calf by a pit bull as I walked in my neighborhood. I'm still suffering / recovering from the dog bite. I've always loved hiking and being out in the wilderness, and thought I'd be safe "out there". Not so. On each of my three section hikes, I've encountered unleashed dogs bounding through the woods up to me with no owner in sight. It is absolutely so discouraging for someone with an apprehension about dogs. I used to think being prepared for dealing with bears is the scariest encounter - nope, it's unleashed dogs with nary an owner in sight.
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davesenesac
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Post by davesenesac on Sept 19, 2016 15:31:25 GMT -8
Decades ago I lived in a third world country 2 years while in the military and for months of that time had a house to live in at on my free time in the nearby city. People in such places rarely leash their dogs that live outside and at night neighborhood dogs would join together and run about in barking dangerous packs. I grew up in a large family that always had pet dogs and strange even to this day, dogs often seem to sense I'm a dog person. Thus can often change the demeanor of initially aggressive barking dogs by bending down low, talking calmly to them, and acting friendly that changes behavior to a tail wagging friendly one. The interesting thing is out at night in the third world country in a few occasions the night pack dogs found me in the dim back streets and I was able to get them to stop barking and go on their way. My suspicion is such packs have a leader and if that lead dog stops being aggressive so does the rest of a pack.
That said, most dogs one meets on trails in this era are probably urban pets, many of which have very limited isolated interactions for long periods with both other dogs and human strangers. Thus many such dogs in this era have not learned how to behave around strangers and or other strange dogs and cannot be trusted. Sure they may be fine around other dogs and people they know but a dog's nature is rather complicated about strangers. That is very different than the world I grew up in during the 50s and 60s when everyone in our California outer suburban neighborhoods let their dogs run about neighborhoods as they will that allows dogs to learn acceptable behaviors much like my experience in the third world country. Accordingly one cannot trust how urban dogs one meets on trails in this era may react. One way for urban pet owners to help their dog's behavior is by regularly bringing them to dog parks where they can interact with lots of other dogs and their pet owners.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Sept 19, 2016 17:10:49 GMT -8
Sometimes I wonder why I come to this forum because I find myself reading about hiking, more than actually hiking itself. And the #1 reason I've reduced my hiking: unleashed dogs. On the AT. In Maryland. I have always been timid around dogs. Then this past winter, I was bit on the calf by a pit bull as I walked in my neighborhood. I'm still suffering / recovering from the dog bite. I've always loved hiking and being out in the wilderness, and thought I'd be safe "out there". Not so. On each of my three section hikes, I've encountered unleashed dogs bounding through the woods up to me with no owner in sight. It is absolutely so discouraging for someone with an apprehension about dogs. I used to think being prepared for dealing with bears is the scariest encounter - nope, it's unleashed dogs with nary an owner in sight. If legal in your area there's bear spray: that would work on those eastern aggressive black bears if necessary as well as aggressive dogs. and on the plus side, non-lethally. GSMNP allows bear spray.
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markskor
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Post by markskor on Sept 19, 2016 19:01:36 GMT -8
I'll preface this by saying I love dogs...in their place.
Hiking Sierra over the years, like many here, have had plenty of encounters with dogs off-leash - no owner in sight. This happens sometimes while hiking, and occasionally when fishing too...sigh. Mostly they just growl and sniff...allow you to pass...no big deal usually, but on several occasions have been "backed down" - not allowed to pass by someone's determined pet. Once, my hiking buddy got severely bitten on his back leg. He responded by stabbing the snarling cur with his hiking pole...drew blood. BTW, we never carry any bear spray, illegal anyway.
The kicker was when the injured dog's owner showed up, and tried to put the blame on my partner...wanted to sue him for the dog's injuries. "He doesn't bite." (Sound familiar?) So, I pose the question...Who is responsible and what else could/would you do when faced with a similar situation? Do you wait to be bitten or defend yourself preemptively? How?
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