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Post by JiminMD on Jul 15, 2015 17:16:12 GMT -8
How many other board members use glucosamine and chondroitin? Do you find there to be any measurable difference in effectiveness between the various brands?
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Post by reuben on Jul 15, 2015 17:25:47 GMT -8
For a week or two I thought it/they worked. Then nada. The literature, both professional and by internet doctors, indicates that if there are any conclusions to be reached the standard deviation is a mile wide - YMMV a WHOLE LOT. My respected orthopedist (hip/knee/leg/ankle/foot specialist) agrees - you might get lucky, but the odds are by no means in your favor.
I quit buying the pills, and just do what I can. 1/4 squats, 1/4 lunges, use trekking poles, etc. Bear crawls and burpees - OK. Other exercises - oh no, don't go there.
I hate it. Hate it.
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Post by JiminMD on Jul 15, 2015 17:30:55 GMT -8
I've been taking them for several years since an orthopedist suggested I start. My knees do feel better. I've noticed recently that the store brands I've been using seem to be creeping up in price closer to the big name brands. Mostly I'm curious if the name brands are worth the extra cash and if indeed most people think it's mostly placebo effect.
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Post by llamero on Jul 15, 2015 20:12:22 GMT -8
I used for about 3 months and noticed no difference. My wife felt improvement in her knee within 3 weeks of starting on them. Just like my chiropractor told me, it will work for some, but not all. Don't remember the brand.
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Post by rebeccad on Jul 27, 2015 16:15:04 GMT -8
Yeah, most studies suggest that there isn't much effect, if any. So I'd say to get the cheapest that you can believe will work as a very powerful placebo. But I think IIRC that if it is going to do any good, starting to use it before issues get bad will be the best option.
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Post by squaretop on Jul 28, 2015 4:12:21 GMT -8
I took them regularly for a couple of years prior to my hip replacement in 2009. I do believe they helped. Hip replacement helped a whole lot more! I trained and ran four marathons on the prosthetic hip(as well as four others on my "birth" hip). Backpacking plans for Wyoming in September(as usual). But there appears to be very little critical evidence that they help and are a waste of money. But if you are looking for votes I recommend trying them for at least a month before giving up on them.
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Post by ohiohiker84 on Aug 23, 2015 19:37:11 GMT -8
I've been taking 2 tablets daily for about 6 years now. My ortho was surprised at my visit earlier this year (I hadn't been in about 3 years) because the deterioration in my knees had pretty much stopped. I still have occasional pain and take 3 Aleve for that. I use Schiff glucosamine chondroitin with joint fluid.I get it at Costco when they have a coupon. My dad told me that his hands had pretty much seized up from arthritis. He asked his brother (a bone surgeon) about the glucosamine and he said it helps some and doesn't help others, but that it wouldn't hurt to try it. It took about a month but it relaxed his hands and they are normal now.
We both use it daily.
Good Luck!!
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Post by rebeccad on Aug 24, 2015 7:21:04 GMT -8
But there appears to be very little critical evidence that they help and are a waste of money. But if you are looking for votes I recommend trying them for at least a month before giving up on them. That's an interesting combination of opinions.
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Post by speacock on Aug 24, 2015 10:28:34 GMT -8
In preface to all that is written below, we haven't plumbed the depths of DNA and specific human response. Perhaps there are individual special circumstances that some chemicals work for a fortunate few - but not the rest of us. If they do, use it. www.arthritisvic.org.au/Complementary-Therapies/Complementary-Therapies/Glucosamine-and-ChondroitinAs to chodroitin and the chemical processing of proteins and sugars once it gets past the tongue, it would seem that the same response could come from eating the entire shrimp and insect exoskeleton that provides the source for its manufacture. We are the only predator that cooks then 'shucks' the shells of shrimp and crab. We don't seem to be too much into exoskeletons either. As I walk down the aisles leading to the pharmacy at COSTCO, I see that it is jammed from floor to as far up as can be stored with all of the 'alternative' choices, supplements and a few of the 2AM hypochondriatic insomniac solutions. I've asked how, as a certified pharmacist, they can allow such blatant pandering? Response: "I just work here I don't own the store." Recent studies (within the year) looking at the contents of supplements found in the big box stores, have discovered that most may neither have the ingredients specified on the contents list, nor the quantity/quality expected. That is worse than snake oil. No snake. No oil. There are many who don't know or care what they are paying for and using. Many are duped by unsubstantiated claims and don't have the training or take the effort to make good decisions. Why would we need a pharmacy if all the cures for most of the ills are right there for the taking - without restriction. Rheumatism and arthritis used to be 'cured' by spending time in old radium mines in 'cages' made of the ore. Albeit some cures are more expensive (long term) than the prescribed ones. Those who take more than a multi-vitamin pill a day have very expensive urine or possibly rickets and scurvy from an extremely poor diet. A kind of diet one would see mostly in 3rd world countries and under extreme deprivation. But then those can't afford food supplements and would spend the money on a better diet. If all of the uncontrolled 'super' drugs, including those paying Dr. Oz to pander them, really did work, one would wonder why the medical and pharmaceutical industry wouldn't be making money from them. Don't bore me with all of the conspiracy and hyperbola theories about the two industries. Greed is difficult to control but we can have a better independent USDA safety net that has some bite to it and a marketing budget a fraction of the quick cure sales and distribution organizations. If this is a safety net to assure food (and drug) safety, it should include jurisdiction over supplements and fully implement the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act. What would we do without Consumer Reports? At times it is difficult to make a good decision even when all of the facts are presented.
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Post by wondermonkey on Dec 8, 2015 12:19:19 GMT -8
I don't believe those two ingredients are contained in what I use (maybe?) but I use AdvoCare's Biotools for my arthritis in my big toes and pointer fingers. I went into it with no expectations but I'm really happy with the results. Every so often I'll stop using it and sure enough it starts to come back and then when I go back on it the issues go away. It's my little test to make sure it is working and I'm not making it up.
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Post by speacock on Dec 9, 2015 13:48:57 GMT -8
Many pharmaceuticals have better responses for certain people for all kinds of reasons. If it works for you keep doing it. My mom put Mentholatum on every thing. I'm still here.
Next door neighbor had been giving a cat glucosamine-chondrotin supplements for two years - every meal time. Cat kept getting worse. Vet said to keep up the regimen (cat hated it and had to have it smeared on its paws). It died recently anyway.
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