tarol
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Post by tarol on Jul 19, 2015 13:59:25 GMT -8
This is in excusable someone needs to be punished big time, maybe some anti aircraft weapons are needed. lat.ms/1HWU3GF "Cars burn on Interstate 15 fire; drone interferes with firefighting effort" Okay, guys, I've worked a lot of fires in southern California now and this is the most terrifying one to date, it was insane listening to the IC on the radio during this freeway burnover. And to know that my husband had just driven down a couple of hours prior in a propane truck!! Anyway, I was the first PIO to start giving out information on this fire, and have worked very long hours since so I know too much about this... Don't split hairs - whether it's an RC plane, drone, unmanned aircraft system, remotely piloted whatchamacalit - whatever the heck if it hits one of our tankers it would be disastrous. DON'T FLY THEM DURING WILDFIRES!!!! |
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Post by Sleeping Bag Man! on Jul 19, 2015 19:32:54 GMT -8
Just playing devil's advocate here........can one of those little quadcopter thingies seriously do any damage to a tanker airplane (or any other airplane for that matter)?
I would hope that planes are designed to withstand quite a bit more impact than that of a small plastic toy......
Again, I'm not advocating their use at all whatsoever. Just wondering.
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Post by swimswithtrout on Jul 19, 2015 20:55:01 GMT -8
Just playing devil's advocate here........can one of those little quadcopter thingies seriously do any damage to a tanker airplane (or any other airplane for that matter)? I would hope that planes are designed to withstand quite a bit more impact than that of a small plastic toy...... +1 They would cause no more damage than an encounter with an illegal "across the border" hawk or vulture in their flight path. Hitting a "drone" would cause far less damage than hitting , say a goose. However, a pilots first instinct is to avoid all obstacles in their path, and that might cause them to abort their flight run. |
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Post by tarol on Jul 22, 2015 5:34:42 GMT -8
Yes, they can bring down an aircraft. Tons of information online about this. The FAA is also very worried about near misses between drones and airplanes near airports.
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Post by tarol on Jul 22, 2015 5:50:03 GMT -8
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Post by swimswithtrout on Jul 22, 2015 21:28:23 GMT -8
Yes, they can bring down an aircraft. Tons of information online about this. Really, this can bring down a plane ? This is a " real" drone. Not a remote controlled toy airplane.  It's all in the semantics, about a rapidly evolving technology, for which there are no clear guidelines. |
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Post by tomas on Jul 23, 2015 6:19:53 GMT -8
They would cause no more damage than an encounter with an illegal "across the border" hawk or vulture in their flight path. Hitting a "drone" would cause far less damage than hitting , say a goose Remember it was a goose that caused the loss of engine power in the airliner that splashed down into the Hudson River. |
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Post by tarol on Jul 23, 2015 15:17:48 GMT -8
If a drone hits a rotor, propeller, or stabilizer, you better believe they could do some damage. One of the drones last Friday was not only was in restricted air space, it actually pursued one of our lead planes, which are the smaller planes that lead the very large air tankers in (DC-10's) in for retardant drops. All of these aircraft are flying close to the ground and have enough hazards to look out for as it is. bniussr.ning.com/wildland-fire-special-reports/a-forest-service-pilot-speaks-out-on-drone-dangersI work with Mike Caulkins, he knows his stuff. |
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Post by johnnyray on Jul 29, 2015 10:15:00 GMT -8
"Hillview man arrested for shooting down drone; cites right to privacy" bit.ly/1JvL5FP It was only a matter of time I guess, stay tuned. |
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Post by tipiwalter on Jul 29, 2015 10:22:38 GMT -8
The moral of the story is we have to find "weapons" which will take out these drones that are not shotguns etc. Something like water cannons or net launchers or better yet, software scramblers to take control over them and then land them in our yard and stomp them flat.
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Post by tarol on Aug 3, 2015 10:21:24 GMT -8
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Aug 3, 2015 16:50:54 GMT -8
The moral of the story is we have to find "weapons" which will take out these drones that are not shotguns etc. Something like water cannons or net launchers or better yet, software scramblers to take control over them and then land them in our yard and stomp them flat. They already offer "go home" software (it uses the internal GPS to return to its point of origin) so I'd say what's needed is an over-riding "go DOWN" command function that wildfire managers can use to clear an area of hazards. Anyone who questions whether multiple pounds of metal and plastic can take down an aircraft flying as on the edge as wildfire fighters fly has never seen the runway walk downs the Navy does at Miramar every morning just to make sure there aren't any stray fasteners etc. to get sucked into an engine. And nuts and other fasteners are a hell of a lot smaller than whatever you want to call those flying cameras. |
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Post by swimswithtrout on Aug 3, 2015 19:56:32 GMT -8
In actuality, it might have to come down to the same way we hang glider pilots self regulate ourselves to avoid the FAA stepping in and require licenses . We have self governed ourselves for 40+yrs, using the same FAA flight rules any other aircraft must obey. One of them is to be aware of the constantly changing TFR's. ( Temporary Flight Restrictions) that include fire aircraft operations. Then again, most "drone" pilots are just trying to go where their selfie stick can't go and have no clue. GoPro cams are another instance of a great idea that is causing all sorts of problems. GoPro has an established contest to see who can post the most " outrageous" videos using a Gopro cam. I don't know if the awards can be passed on to the heirs in all of the recent "Wing Suit " deaths, but you get the idea. |
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Post by BigLoad on Aug 3, 2015 20:09:42 GMT -8
There would be no problem if small UAS pilots uniformly acted on the same sense of responsibility as hang glider pilots. Unfortunately, they quite literally don't as much skin in the game. The bad eggs seem able to rely on escaping identification so far.
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Post by Lamebeaver on Aug 4, 2015 6:07:46 GMT -8
better yet, software scramblers to take control over them Then you'd probably have the FCC after you.... |
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