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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 13, 2016 5:40:24 GMT -8
“I turned around because I was concerned about them. I didn’t turn around to continuously attack them like the papers are saying. That’s not me.” He claims he was blackout drunk and didn't know at the attacks until the next day. How could he then claim to know what he did or didn't do at the time of the attacks?
So now the gun analogy that everyone hates... would he be charged with the same offenses if he'd been just as drunk but used a gun instead of "just" driving over them?
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Post by rebeccad on Mar 13, 2016 10:47:13 GMT -8
Anyone who causes property damage, injures or kills someone should be treated like the criminal they are. Injuring someone should be charged as attempted premeditated murder and killing someone should be a capital crime. Oh, I didn't mean he shouldn't do time. I'm saying that he might need more than just textbook sentencing for attempted vehicular manslaughter. Like looking into what the heck made him so homicidal in the first place, which might result in locking him up for longer.
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Post by RumiDude on Mar 13, 2016 10:56:07 GMT -8
My biggest issue with believing his story about being "black out" drunk is that he was able to stay on his snowmobile. Operating a snowmobile is kinda a real physical activity. It takes something to remain on it and operate it. It isn't like driving a car.
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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 13, 2016 16:11:50 GMT -8
It isn't like driving a car. Easier than riding a motorcycle with a thumb throttle that goes to idle if the driver lets go.
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Post by RumiDude on Mar 13, 2016 17:44:55 GMT -8
It is actually easier to stay on a motorcycle than a snowmobile. A rider can lean a motorcycle when making turns and the force keeps him on. A snowmobile is not like that when you make a turn, the rider has to hang on with legs and hands while moving to the inside of the turn. To maneuver a snowmobile at speed while so drunk you don't know what you are doing? I just don't think that is a plausible scenario.
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Post by tigger on Mar 13, 2016 18:38:55 GMT -8
It is actually easier to stay on a motorcycle than a snowmobile. Yep. Even on flat ice of Greenland, it took focus and strength to ride.
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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 14, 2016 3:19:35 GMT -8
A stopped snowmobile won't fall over if the driver doesn't put feet down....
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Post by tigger on Mar 14, 2016 7:02:01 GMT -8
A stopped snowmobile won't fall over if the driver doesn't put feet down That's about the only thing easier on a snowmobile. One small adjustment of the steering on a snowmobile and it's like driving an ATV - you have to lean the opposite way to bite the outside ski to make the turn. Lugging around a 450lb snowmobile is a bit different than a 200lb motorcycle.
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Post by reuben on Mar 14, 2016 14:19:51 GMT -8
I want so badly to be so far away from people. I hear ya, soul bruthuh. They're the worst.
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Post by absarokanaut on Mar 14, 2016 15:23:35 GMT -8
I am a fan of sled dog racing. I volunteer for the Pedigree/Eukanuba Stage Stop Series here in Jackson. The reason I am a fan is that the dogs ABSOLUTELY LOVE to run. They're incredible.
NPR did a piece on this and explored the problem native communities have with alcohol. I agree the young man needs serious treatment whatever criminal penalty he gets.
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Post by reuben on Mar 14, 2016 15:38:49 GMT -8
NPR did a piece on this and explored the problem native communities have with alcohol. I agree the young man needs serious treatment whatever criminal penalty he gets. From what I read, he admitted to an alcohol problem, asked for help, and voluntarily turning himself in and confessed. That doesn't absolve him of culpability, but it counts for something, at least in my book.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 14, 2016 16:45:03 GMT -8
Sounds like the same sort of murderous fool that runs cyclists off the road and sometimes, in the process, hits them and severely injured or kills them.
How much for multiple attempted murders in Alaska? Or will he skate out from under due to some technical detail or other?
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Post by RumiDude on Mar 14, 2016 19:51:36 GMT -8
NPR did a piece on this and explored the problem native communities have with alcohol. I agree the young man needs serious treatment whatever criminal penalty he gets. From what I read, he admitted to an alcohol problem, asked for help, and voluntarily turning himself in and confessed. That doesn't absolve him of culpability, but it counts for something, at least in my book. I am not an expert on alcoholism/drug addiction, though I have some personal experience with both. I am not an expert snowmobile rider, but I have lots of experience riding one. For these two reasons of experience I find it difficult to believe he did not know what he was doing, even if he was intoxicated.
If he has confessed and wants help, I hope they do everything to help him. A life saved from addiction is worth a second, third, or more chances. Then he can redeem himself through community service and just being a productive human being. But lets hold his feet to the fire on this.
Just my personal view on the matter as little as I know about it.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 14, 2016 21:06:09 GMT -8
They had him dead to rights given they had the cowling off his machine: so his "confession" gets zero points from me.
He can gain assistance for his problems in prison: he tried to murder two separate people. He doesn't get to paint fences or pick trash for that sort of behavior were he convicted.
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Post by Lonewolf on Mar 15, 2016 3:13:58 GMT -8
Alcohol is no excuse. He should be charged with premeditated attempted murder.
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