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Post by va3pinner on May 29, 2024 5:13:53 GMT -8
I started with the freestanding Eureka Backcountry 1. 4 lbs, but a solid tent even above tree line in Wyoming. I passed it along to my nephew and it's still in perfect condition. 12 years ago I switched to the Six Moons Designs Skyscape Trekker. That was the original version, silnylon, with one door. about 28 oz. Changed the ridge pole to pex tube. It withstood some big storms. But, it has one large single wall running from the poles to the foot. The foot of the tent had to be pulled out to prevent sagging with heavy rain or an inch of snow, otherwise the sleeping bag would get soaked. Not fun when the temp drops below freezing in the morning. Got tired of the one single wall and recently purchased the Tarptent Dipole 1 DW. A little under 2 lbs. I didn't want Dyneema so paying a price in weight. It's a fit fiddly to set up, even for a trekking pole tent. The geometry at the base has to be a perfect rectangle with margin of error for stake placement around an inch or 2. Not great in rocky or rooty ground. SectionHiker had to move the tent several times to get a good pitch under forest conditions. Dipole DW review But, it is a popular tent in the UK where winds and stormy conditions are common. +1 on Trek-Lite.com. They have an ongoing thread for the Dipole 1 DW. Best source of info on the details of set-up, use and modifications. Trek-Lite Dipole DW Kudos to texasbb for adding to that conversation. Looking forward to using the Dipole in the Winds this year. Have several planned camps above tree line in Bear Basin. It will be challenging to pitch in rocky soil, but opted to not go with a freestanding. The solid DW will help keep the cold drafts down as well. I almost bought a DiPole. But had similar setup issues with my Stratospire. Nothing at all wrong with that tent, just me. So I ended up with the Moment DW. I figured with only two stakes most of the time how could I lose? I really like the idea of trekking pole tents, but just find the hoop style TT easier.
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Post by oldbill on May 29, 2024 5:36:14 GMT -8
So I ended up with the Moment DW. I figured with only two stakes most of the time how could I lose? I really like the idea of trekking pole tents, but just find the hoop style TT easier. A friend bought the Moment DW and loves it. I looked closely at it. I can get a bit claustrophobic so the 20" end width and 39" max height seemed a bit tight. My sitting height is ~36" and I have a 3" pad. Great center width at 42" though. Beats that narrow 28" center width of the Dipole! The Moment definitely seems less fussy to set up and probably has less footprint size.
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Post by zeke on May 29, 2024 7:05:20 GMT -8
39" max height seemed a bit tight. My sitting height is ~36" and I have a 3" pad. Have you measured your sitting height when ON the mattress? I only ask because my FA compresses the mattress when I sit up.
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Post by bluefish on May 29, 2024 7:43:21 GMT -8
In somewhat chronological order from 14 to 66: woven boughs Tarp Cheap Eureka OR Gore-Tex bivy Lived for a year in a canvas cabin tent. Jansport Dome North Face VE 24 Sierra Design Clip Flashlight Sierra Design Stretch Dome (2) primary 4 season BA Fly Creek Trekking pole: Lightheart Duo BA Scout UL And back to pole structure BA Copper Spur UL HV bikepacking. BA Big House 4 Deluxe w/vestibule car camping luxury.
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Post by va3pinner on May 29, 2024 9:52:49 GMT -8
In somewhat chronological order from 14 to 66:[ So you had all those shelters from 1914 to 1966? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/6271026/images/JjBODxHAeAOWMDoJ3lNq.jpg) ? You were WAY ahead of your time!!
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Post by BigLoad on May 29, 2024 11:04:51 GMT -8
I started with the freestanding Eureka Backcountry 1. 4 lbs, but a solid tent even above tree line in Wyoming. I passed it along to my nephew and it's still in perfect condition.
Our car camping tent for 20+ years was a Backcountry 4. Eventually the PU rotted, leading to its retirement.
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Post by oldbill on May 29, 2024 12:40:50 GMT -8
Have you measured your sitting height when ON the mattress? Good point. No, I didn't do that. I assumed that anything 39" or less was not going to work for me. But, depending on how much you inflate it, there's certainly somewhat less than the full 3". The Trekker has a listed maximum height of 45". I was good with that sitting on the pad. The Dipole is listed at 44" max height. I've only been in it on test set ups, but it's not bad. A lot more height at the head and foot due to the strut. I'm thinking of lowering by an inch since it's narrow in the center. That'll push the bathtub floor out a bit.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on May 31, 2024 7:58:30 GMT -8
While hoops give more interior living space, I’ve gone the trekking pole route for about a decade now. First for weight savings, but I’ve also seen “hoop” or similar “hub” tents bend in strong western winds before breaking. Not that hiking pole tents are immune, but they seem better built for the weight.
Now a protective little cove, base-camped somewhat in the treeline? I’d switch to hooped.
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Post by rebeccad on May 31, 2024 18:00:13 GMT -8
swmtnbackpacker, I did bend the tip of a trekking pole using it on the Protrail in high winds. But that was probably because I was also using an extension on the pole, since I have short poles.
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Jun 2, 2024 9:45:14 GMT -8
swmtnbackpacker , I did bend the tip of a trekking pole using it on the Protrail in high winds. But that was probably because I was also using an extension on the pole, since I have short poles. I had the 0.55 DCF version (thin “cuben” fiber) of the Notch but a pole tip went through it. DCF is easily taped but now my tarps/tarptents set up with the handles up. Ended up selling it when the DCF floor couldn’t take a goatweed burr fwiw. Couldn’t imagine trying to repair a siliconized fabric on the field (though patches exist presumably).
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 2, 2024 16:20:58 GMT -8
swmtnbackpacker , I did bend the tip of a trekking pole using it on the Protrail in high winds. But that was probably because I was also using an extension on the pole, since I have short poles. I had the 0.55 DCF version (thin “cuben” fiber) of the Notch but a pole tip went through it. DCF is easily taped but now my tarps/tarptents set up with the handles up. Ended up selling it when the DCF floor couldn’t take a goatweed burr fwiw. Couldn’t imagine trying to repair a siliconized fabric on the field (though patches exist presumably). I do my poles handles up because I don’t like sticking the straps in the dirt/mud or leaving them where the critters can nibble. Using the extension requires it to be handle up—just a bit of aluminum tube slipped over the point of the pole and stuck in the ground. Wouldn’t work the other way up. But my Protrail has grommets for the pole tip if you do it that way—nothing to punch through the DCF. So far no issue with puncturing the floor. Seems at least as tough as my BA, and probably tougher. They don’t make sails out of sylnylon.
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Post by dustin on Jun 3, 2024 5:41:00 GMT -8
I'm going to try using my pole handle-up this summer. The Gatewood uses one pole which you should have at an angle, so putting the tip in the ground works better. I cut down some $8 used ski poles as fixed-length trekking poles and wrapped the top foot or so with bike handlebar tape and capped them with furniture bumpers. I recently found a stray Ikea screw/peg that has threads that work for a camera or monocular so I found a way to pop the peg into a hole in one of the bumpers so the peg can go through the grommet in the Gatewood's pole harness. The pole should stay put a little better and I get a monopod out of the deal.
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Post by BigLoad on Jun 3, 2024 6:04:58 GMT -8
I do my poles handles up because I don’t like sticking the straps in the dirt/mud or leaving them where the critters can nibble.
Same here. It will be interesting to see if Tarptent's little add-on cups fit Black Diamond handles better than Leki.
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Post by rebeccad on Jun 3, 2024 7:20:57 GMT -8
I do my poles handles up because I don’t like sticking the straps in the dirt/mud or leaving them where the critters can nibble.
Same here. It will be interesting to see if Tarptent's little add-on cups fit Black Diamond handles better than Leki.
Spoiler alert: they don’t. I struggle to make them go over the tops of my folding BD poles, enough that I really ought to just experiment with making my own (I could use those scraps of Tyvek I have around after making ground clothes and stuff sacks).
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Post by BigLoad on Jun 3, 2024 8:07:42 GMT -8
Same here. It will be interesting to see if Tarptent's little add-on cups fit Black Diamond handles better than Leki.
Spoiler alert: they don’t. I struggle to make them go over the tops of my folding BD poles, enough that I really ought to just experiment with making my own (I could use those scraps of Tyvek I have around after making ground clothes and stuff sacks).
That's good to know. I might try that, too.
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