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Post by Westy on May 16, 2016 20:15:01 GMT -8
No dish washing whiles I am 'out there Anything requiring dish-washing is saved for car camping trips Welcome to the North American Society of Backcountry Boiling Water Chefs!
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Post by sarbar on May 16, 2016 20:17:30 GMT -8
Welcome to the North American Society of Backcountry Boiling Water Chefs! Proud founding member. Lol.....
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 3:49:46 GMT -8
sarbarOne of the things about FBC cooking that we like is how there is a lowered impact from not needing to clean-up dishes. By not cleaning dishes we are not leaving behind food particles.
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Post by hippiebutterfly on May 17, 2016 6:26:58 GMT -8
tipiwalter You dehydrated your food on the floor? Or was that just for the photo op?
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Post by hippiebutterfly on May 17, 2016 6:32:43 GMT -8
I have actually not had good luck with store bought backpacking meals. The sodium content makes me sick, physically. I need to have the ability to control the amount of sodium I consume. I have tried Mary Jane's Farm and it was ok. I usually make our own meals and dehydrate them, but I'm going to give @idahowalker's ideas a try. We've had some private messages about #10 can meals you can buy on Amazon and portion out in freezer bags. Our typical meals when backpacking for the weekend (we haven't gone longer due to raising kids and having no one to care for them while we're gone) are Trapper's Oat bread with PB, dried raspberries (from my garden, super light) and coffee for breakfast, tortilla with powered, then reconstituted hummus, dried fruit and water or tang for lunch, then a cooked meal of some kind for dinner. We've also done powdered, flavored mashed potatoes and corned beef at dinner too, but again, the sodium content nearly did me in. I bring a tic-tac container of salt with me when I need some.
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sarbar
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Post by sarbar on May 17, 2016 7:16:00 GMT -8
I have actually not had good luck with store bought backpacking meals. The sodium content makes me sick, physically. I need to have the ability to control the amount of sodium I consume. I have tried Mary Jane's Farm and it was ok. I usually make our own meals and dehydrate them, but I'm going to give Ohm's ideas a try. We've had some private messages about #10 can meals you can buy on Amazon and portion out in freezer bags. Our typical meals when backpacking for the weekend (we haven't gone longer due to raising kids and having no one to care for them while we're gone) are Trapper's Oat bread with PB, dried raspberries (from my garden, super light) and coffee for breakfast, tortilla with powered, then reconstituted hummus, dried fruit and water or tang for lunch, then a cooked meal of some kind for dinner. We've also done powdered, flavored mashed potatoes and corned beef at dinner too, but again, the sodium content nearly did me in. I bring a tic-tac container of salt with me when I need some. The sodium is exactly why I make most of my own meals. I cannot do the crazy levels in MH and similar. The problem is .... No one is going to eat "1 portion" of a 2 person meal that only contains 300 calories or less! It is crazy and not realistic. So they eat the whole bag and 1,000 to 2,000 or more mg of sodium. YUCK!!!! Many of my recipes are where you add your own salt......
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Post by speacock on May 25, 2016 15:46:03 GMT -8
Oops
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Post by speacock on May 25, 2016 16:49:23 GMT -8
For all y'all calorie counters. If you are chugging up hill with a week's worth of anything on your back and at high(er) altitude, you could be burning up to 800 KCalories an hour. Cross country even a bit more/hour. If you seem tired most of the time it might not be the trail or the altitude - you are simply slowly starving to death.
But then, it is almost impractical to carry enough Kcal to completely refill your energy tank every day.
A 4 person, retail prepared dehydrated meal hardly replaces calories expended on the trail - since lunch. Here is a list of the biggest bang for the pound foods.
Pound of body fat - about 3500 Kcal
FATS 16 fl oz of olive oil 3900Kcal (16 (dry) oz more than 4000Kcal) 16 oz of butter (2 cups) = 3,200 calories 16 oz Peanut Butter (creamy) 2708
SWEETS 16 oz sugar (2 1/4 cups) = 1,733 calories 16 oz Corn Syrup 1920Kcal 16 oz Aunt Jemima's Maple (flavored) Syrup 1890 16 oz Trader Joe Unsweetened Pineapple (freeze dried) 1760 16 oz Shady Maple Farms Organic Maple Syrup 1680 16 oz Honey 1320 16 oz chocolate chips 2200Kcal
DRY WEIGHT
16 oz macaroni pasta 1680 16 oz spaghetti 1680 16 oz Krusteaz Pancake mix 1680 16 oz rice 1600Kcal 16 oz Kellogg's Froot Loops 1656 16 oz (Blue) Cornmeal 1647 16 oz Bulgar (Wheat) 1520 16 oz General Mills Total 1500 16 oz Split Peas (dry) 1170 16 oz Lentils (dry) 1040
Prepared: Yum salt and fat added..
16 oz Trader Joe Madras Lentil (heat and eat) 416Kcal (2-160kcal servings in 10oz package) 16 oz Mountain House Beef Teriyaki 1224 (a package for two is .55 pound 680Kcal) 16 oz Mountain House Beef/Noodle Stroganoff 1582 (package for four is .79 pound 1250 Kcal )
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Post by tthayer on Jun 6, 2016 19:11:50 GMT -8
Love this thread. I just got a ton of ideas. Thank you all so much for this one.
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Post by tipiwalter on Jun 8, 2016 9:47:50 GMT -8
You dehydrated your food on the floor? Or was that just for the photo op? Sorry for the delay as a food thread always gets me to yawning but NO---I used my dehydrator for the tomatoes. The pic was just to show how much my dehydrator holds---ALOT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 7:53:27 GMT -8
sarbar One of the things about FBC cooking that we like is how there is a lowered impact from not needing to clean-up dishes. By not cleaning dishes we are not leaving behind food particles. "eyeroll" emoticon please.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 8:21:34 GMT -8
sarbar One of the things about FBC cooking that we like is how there is a lowered impact from not needing to clean-up dishes. By not cleaning dishes we are not leaving behind food particles. "eyeroll" emoticon please.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 8:37:50 GMT -8
"eyeroll" emoticon please. Haha, yes. exactly.
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Post by ErnieW on Oct 21, 2016 8:11:00 GMT -8
One thing that seems to be only lightly covered in this thread is cost. If you backpack a lot the prepacked / freeze dried is just too expensive. Also if you are doing long range hikes, local stores where you restock usually don't have prepacked/freeze dried so it is good to know how to stock yourself from a grocery store. It is possible to stock in a way that you don't have to carry a stove.
Another part of the equation is water. If you are doing a hike where there is no water (for me many mountains in the Catskills are like this) there is no reason to bring freeze dried. If you're already carrying the water it may as well be in yummy fresh/wet foods as long as they won't go bad. I also think besides needing water to make freeze dried meals you need to drink more when you eat them. I think they soak up more water in your tummy and out of you. If your last water source is a couple of hours from your night's campsite you could be traveling very heavy for a while.
And maybe others here can chime in on this but I would always eat well at the beginning of the trip with sometimes having no food for the last day (or so). You get lighter faster that way. If you pack too much you end up bringing food home and that food weight just went for a ride. Also you can coast a few days if you are well fed but have water to drink. That also makes the first meal when you get off the trail absolutely heavenly.
Also the mode you are backpacking in makes a big difference in the fresh vs dried decision. If you have a certain number of days to cover a certain distance otherwise you are screwed up then go all dried/light. If you have a more relaxed schedule fresh/weighty early is good. A lot times we would travel to the trail head arriving in the afternoon then just hike a couple of hours to get away from it. Then bring a feast for the first night. Great to celebrate being out in the woods with the fresh air and a good meal. Another mode is base camp hiking. Then we would plan the time to hump a lot of food to base camp. Nice to come back after a successful day summit hike and have some nice cheese and crackers.
Just make sure you have a good food hang.
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Post by zeke on Oct 21, 2016 8:24:16 GMT -8
Personally, I would never counsel someone to not carry enough food to bring back home at least 1 day's worth. Sometimes things happen out there that require a day or 2 longer stay. What you have done is remove any room for error, IMO.
Expensive is relative. Yes, commercial Fd is more expensive than home dehydrated, or grocery store instant mashed w/ foil tuna. Still a matter of what you can afford. I try to carry only the water I need to reach the next source, or the one beyond that one. In the SW desert country, that means 8 -10 pounds of water is in the pack most of the time.
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