ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on May 25, 2023 17:27:22 GMT -8
Some at an adjacent site had used a rope to suspend their packs from the simple cable stretched between trees high up: instead of a counterbalance hang, so apparently the bears just went for the suspension rope, got the packs low enough to rip down… I've gone to using a PCT hang. Bears are smart and it is only time until they learn the vulnerabilities of a suspension hang around here. I think several of the bears in Harriman learned surprising campers at the shelters by sneaking up at dinnertime results in food rewards. Unfortunately they are dead bears now.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on May 25, 2023 17:35:42 GMT -8
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Post by ErnieW on May 25, 2023 17:58:34 GMT -8
PCT does also have a vulnerability. If the bear pulls on the hang rope and pulls the bag to the top then keeps pulling the rope or branch could break. If the rope breaks above the T stick then the food is coming down. I've been using stout T sticks in case a bear pulls the bag up and lets it drop down hard. I don't want the stick breaking. I have been wondering what I would do if a bear chewed the rope trying and not succeeding. Leaving it so I can't reach it. How do I get my stuff down then?
From what you're saying I have to ask: Is there some way with a PCT hang to "tuck the rope away"?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on May 25, 2023 18:07:36 GMT -8
When I hiked early spring with an ice axe (hiking length not short) I’d tie off my second bag at a height where I’d use the axe to push them even and out of reach, a safety margin in case a cub went out on the branch and it lost some height. To get it down I had to hook the bottom strap on one of the stuff sacks.
If you’re using trekking poles something involving one of them might do: hook the carabiner with the wrist strap? Or?
ETA: yes iirc (I’ve not done anything but counterbalance or canister since the 90’s) I tended to wrap up the loose end and tuck it on the bottom of the food stuff sack where mine had a strap (it was an old sleeping bag sack) with my ice axe or trekking pole. I also used black cord. That Rancheria failure they’d used white cord and I guessed visible was bad.., I’d do the same with a counterbalance: I don’t leave anything dangling for a bear to grab.
Truth be told I do not miss all that engineering versus my canisters.
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Post by rebeccad on May 26, 2023 7:07:12 GMT -8
The thing is, if that extra rope is out of reach of the bears, it’s out of my reach. I’m having trouble imagining a way of using my pole to reach up and stuff the rope out of range, let alone one that wouldn’t risk me not being able to get it back.
TBH, I’ve pretty much switched over to the Ursack, when a can isn’t required. That doesn’t have to be hung.
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