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Post by absarokanaut on Sept 20, 2022 8:19:29 GMT -8
I haven't constructed a cairn in years but I sure did lots of them up high when I was much younger. Always just for navigational purposes.
Many of us are conditioned at early ages to leave our marks in various forms. That's just one of far to many destructive psychologies the world would do better to tolerate a whole h e double hockey sticks of a lot less. Mother Nature has been waiting for us to reinvent civilization for millennia.
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Post by ErnieW on Sept 20, 2022 8:51:42 GMT -8
Similar to when I see blazes on trees every 30 feet. This can drive me nuts. So long as you can see the trail on the ground there is no need to mark every other tree. It can actually be distracting and take away from the experience. For winter travelers seeing the trail on the ground isn't sometimes available. Also staying on trail and not getting lost is even more important then. There are a few places in the Adirondaks where the there are two markers on a given tree. One at summer eye level and a second some times as high as 15 feet for when there is a lot of snow.
That being said, I have been places particularly here in the metro NYC area where there are marks all over. So many that they aren't clearly marking the trail. I suspect it is a troop of boy scouts all working on getting some merit badge.
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Post by marmotstew on Sept 20, 2022 11:48:47 GMT -8
I bring cement and re-bar to make the cairns more permanent. It can get windy up there.
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Post by Coolkat on Sept 21, 2022 3:36:07 GMT -8
For winter travelers seeing the trail on the ground isn't sometimes available. Also staying on trail and not getting lost is even more important then. Honestly, I had not thought of this scenario. So thanks for pointing it out. Also what gets interesting is when the forest service (or contractors) mark trees with a similar color as the blaze and you accidentally follow those.
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Post by BigLoad on Sept 26, 2022 10:15:42 GMT -8
I've found cairns useful in slickrock crossings and crossings of wide arroyos, when terrain and vegetation make it hard to discern where the trail picks up on the other side.
Apart from that, most of cairns I've encountered are pointless. An important minority are actively misleading because they mark unofficial side trials and short cuts, or were simply placed by lost people who never corrected their mistakes.
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Post by desert dweller on Sept 27, 2022 6:31:19 GMT -8
I actually had to stack three rocks last week at the end of the short hike in Cottonwood Canyon Narrows in southern Utah. We parked one car on the north end and walked the 1.5 miles or so to the south end. We overshot the take out point by a hundred yards. There was absolutely no hint of where to exit the canyon other than it had opened up enough to get to the road. I did see one rock on top of another near where the exit point might have been. I said to my friend, "Two rocks do not a cairn make." So I added a third to make it a little more obvious. Cottonwood Canyon Narrows
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Post by swmtnbackpacker on Sept 27, 2022 7:13:26 GMT -8
There’s a time to cairn and there’s plenty more times not to. If a trail is so faint hikers overlook it, a cairn can help to prevent anything from erosion to search-and-rescue.
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Post by rangewalker on Sept 27, 2022 8:06:54 GMT -8
In my area, route marking cairns are a hot topic in both roadless and wilderness settings. Random "duck rocks" need to go away in most instances. The case can made that cairns placed for established routes, and historic ones, need to be kept, and maintained. We have a few in the Bighorn Mountains, Bighorn NF, and BLM lands surrounding the range that have Native American roots. Others were put up on the first system trails in the first years of the Forest Service to mark trails that resisted construction.
I and some other volunteers have been putting up ten, so far, well constructed, substantial cairns on old system trails that have very minimal construction and no signage at key junctions with other trails. These are trails that may not see a trail crew in 8-10 years according to the local forest plan. No signage. That FS class of trial does have signage but our cairns do line up, close to or at least visible to where the USGS and FS topo maps have the junctions. It is important we don't lose these primitive trails. Mark them to too well, or up the classification of these trails with full tread and signage, and we will lose them to the mountain bike/e-bike crowd. Next summer, we are working with some horse packers to at least hoof them up a bit.
The BLM in my area a few years ago went stupid about cairns and was ripping them all out and replacing with Carsonite markers on trails. The fiberglass markers rarely survive the first winter. Or wildlife or cows. I finally went to our BLM District office and sicced their archeologists-history people on the trail crew leaders and got that stopped. The BLM especially is the stewards of historical trails in our area.
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Post by BigLoad on Sept 27, 2022 8:44:03 GMT -8
An article in our local paper a few weeks ago highlighted some prehistoric rock assemblages in NW NJ. They speculated on a variety of purposes, one of which corresponded to how we use cairns. Others are suspected of having different symbolic or ritual purposes. Some possibly date from the Woodland era.
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Post by burntfoot on Sept 27, 2022 20:22:37 GMT -8
If I ever would have had a daughter, I was going to name her Cairn, but pronounced Karen.
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Post by balzaccom on Jul 17, 2023 5:52:42 GMT -8
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