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Post by reuben on May 3, 2023 13:43:11 GMT -8
I actually bought the optional liner for it but have never put it to use. And of course mine is silnylon, not dyneema. I don't know how well my liner would fit the newer version.
As with all tents, when it comes to condensation, ventilation is the key.
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Post by dayhiker on May 3, 2023 14:15:54 GMT -8
Maybe in the rain, I put it up in porch setup, only one side if rain is threatening, can not get more ventilation ! I have had condensation when I don't put it in porch setup, but not a real problem.
I haven't figured out how the lock things work on it but thought those were just to pull it taut, not to pull it down, but will have to take a look, leaving soon on a road trip.
Once I was BP with a group in the Olympics and the guy who put his tarp tent up in the open got allot more condensation than I did under some trees, but his was smaller too.
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Post by reuben on May 3, 2023 14:48:29 GMT -8
I should add that as you pull the fly closer to the ground to avoid windblown precipitation, you naturally get less ventilation as well, and potentially more condensation. You're not guaranteed to get more condensation, but it's possible.
Welcome to life. It's an imperfect world.
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Post by texasbb on May 3, 2023 15:18:36 GMT -8
This tent [Rainbow] on my list but a lot of the reviews I've seen said it's more prone to condensation. However, while I have no reason to doubt it I understand why this tent would be worse than others. I have a Rainbow (single, circa 2009), and it does seem to struggle a little more with condensation than my other tents. I suspect this is partly due to less effective ventilation, especially in the important ceiling/wall areas near head and feet, and partly a matter of perception because it's a single-wall tent (at least in those important areas). It's palatial, though.
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Post by ErnieW on May 3, 2023 15:29:41 GMT -8
I have a Helinox, and while it is very lightweight, I have to say I don't love the chair. I seriously considered returning it but figured there would be times when it would be better than nothing. Damning with faint praise, but we'll see how much use it actually gets this summer. One benefit to the REI membership is I have one year to return anything I buy from them. I'm looking at the Helinox Zero L. A bit heavier but supposed to be more comfortable. You all have gotten me interested in Durston X-Mid 2p. I'm getting used to the hammock but I still sleep better flat on the ground meaning in a tent. Plus I sometimes go where there aren't hammock trees.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on May 9, 2023 19:28:51 GMT -8
When bugs aren’t an issue I’ll opt for a floorless mid. A lightweight polycro sheet serves as the floor so the weight is all devoted to coverage. I’ve use a Mountain Laurel Designs Solomid for quite a while and they make larger versions. No poles as it’s not freestanding and mids tend to use trekking poles which is another weight efficiency for those that use trekking poles anyway. mountainlaureldesigns.com/
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Post by gabby on May 13, 2023 18:55:12 GMT -8
I should add that as you pull the fly closer to the ground to avoid windblown precipitation, you naturally get less ventilation as well, and potentially more condensation. You're not guaranteed to get more condensation, but it's possible. Welcome to life. It's an imperfect world. As an initial caveat to this scandalously garrulous and wandering reply, I should say that I'm a wee bit skeptical about the following, but this thread popped into my mind when I saw a Youtube video on this thing. Maybe this is a digression on this particular thread on "Tent for rain?", and it's certainly not a practical or economically-minded response. Further caveats: (1) A company in France makes these tents (I think) so dimensions are more "European" than US or Scandinavian (see the dimensions of 83" X 43" in the quote below) and (2) they are très expensive. Also, (3) they are single skin and use a breathable composite PTFE fabric (a sandwich of Mylar-Dyneema-Mylar, as far as I can see from the website). I've been here for sure, of course, since I have a couple of circa 90s shelters from Black Diamond that are single wall Epic fabric tents (thus the skepticism). us.samaya-equipment.com/collections/tentesThis guy found that they didn't condensate at all, but I have no idea what his relationship with the company actually is. The Samaya Assaut 2 in the video cited below, from a guy I sometimes watch (he sometimes goes backpacking in Scotland), lists for $2100 (they'll let you pay in 3 installments! 8^O -- Ain't that nice!) Ben Donich Summit Camp | Samaya Assaut2 UltraTent
Samaya Assaut 2 Specifications (from the page for the tent):Floor dimensions: 2100 mm x 1100 mm (83 in x 43 in) Surface area: 2.5 m² (26.9 sq. ft.) Height: 1000 mm (39 in) Interior volume: 1.2 m³ (42.4 cu. ft.) Packed size: 200 mm x 150 mm (7 in x 9 in) Packed volume: 3.5 L The Samaya tents have very high waterproofness and breathability ratings: Floor waterproofness: 20,000 mm Wall waterproofness: 20,000 mm Breathability: 40,000 g/m²/24h If you have a lot of extra cash and feel adventurous, this might be the tent for you! When bugs aren’t an issue I’ll opt for a floorless mid. A few weeks back, I put up my MLD Trailstar tarp in the back yard (I'd never even taken it out of the bag, and I had NOT seam-sealed it. I was curious enough, at long last, to put it up and take a look at it.) and slept in a bivy underneath. I didn't expect it, but it rained in the early morning, and the unsealed seams leaked on me at the internal attachment points (the little hooks about midway up the 5 seams). Not a big deal, because I was at home, in a synthetic bag (it wasn't less than 45 degrees) and quite comfortable. Outside of the drips and some scattered bird poop, I was okay. I have since seam-sealed the tarp, but I'm afraid I made quite a mess of it, as I am old and also inclined to not worry about how neat seam-sealing looks.
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