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Post by FarOutFarley on Jun 8, 2022 18:44:09 GMT -8
I live in a very high tick and mosquito area and had lyme disease last year. I find DEET too strong (the smell) and don't like how it feels on my skin. I've read quite a bit about DEET versus picaridin, including the threads at this website, and can't come to a definitive conclusion about which is more effective, or if there is even a difference. Are there any more recent studies on this? Are there individual differences in the effectiveness? Someone in this forum said picaridin was ineffective for mosquitoes for him, which I haven't been able to confirm elsewhere.
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Post by swiftdream on Jun 9, 2022 13:52:48 GMT -8
Never tried picaridin but lemon eucalyptus oil by Repel works very good for our mosquitoes. Thank goodness we nver had ticks appeare on us in the desert. I’ll follow this thread with interest.
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Post by ErnieW on Jun 9, 2022 14:46:49 GMT -8
I did an almost two year trial of Picaridan. At first I really liked it. It is actually rated a little better at keeping ticks off you than DEET. But the big thing is it is much less stinky than DEET and won't melt some plastics. Also I won't hesitate to put some on unlike DEET.
I am back on DEET again though for hiking. For my kids and when I am going to a back yard party I will likely keep using Picaridan. But I went on a multiday trip last summer and the mosquitoes were very bad. The Picaridan kept them away for like a half hour then faded. I think it is a little too water soluble and washes off with sweat. The backs of my arms near my sweaty armpits ended up horribly bitten up. I mean really bad.
So on my recent overnight I DEET'd up at the car and was good for the two days without having to put more on. I could still smell the DEET on me when I got home but in a way that's what I want. That's what stops the mosquitoes and ticks. It does make me feel a little funny when I first put it on. I have been using Ben's %30.
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Post by texasbb on Jun 9, 2022 17:42:32 GMT -8
My main issue with Picaridin is...the smell. Far worse than DEET to me. Every Picaridin I ever tried had a strong cheap-perfume smell that ruined my day.
That said, I find Permethrin-treated clothing superior to any of the slathered slops, especially for ticks.
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Post by FarOutFarley on Jun 10, 2022 6:28:01 GMT -8
Ernie, thanks for that feedback. I got both DEET and picaridin today so I'll bee able to compare them. Walmart only had 15% picaridin, which I think isn't strong enough.
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Post by ErnieW on Jun 10, 2022 7:13:48 GMT -8
The Sawyer Picaridan I use is %20.
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Post by zeke on Jun 10, 2022 14:10:05 GMT -8
I swapped out to permethrin in 2001 when we went to Kenya. It works like a charm for what tries to get on or through your clothing. That eliminates most of the areas, as I never wear shorts or short sleeves if going into buggy areas.
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Post by leadbelly on Jun 13, 2022 15:23:52 GMT -8
I switched, for the most part, a few years ago. I sometimes mix 100% deet and old woodsman (no chemicals, just a repulsive smell that does a nice job with black flies).
Picaridin (Sawyer) has been fine for me.
I’m testing a permethrin-impregnated shirt this summer. Heading out for a multi-day hike end of June, will be interesting to see how it works.
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Post by georgeofthej on Jun 14, 2022 9:01:19 GMT -8
I've used both. Picaridin is more comfortable on my skin, but DEET is more effective when mosquitos are thick and tenacious.
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Post by tallgrass on Jun 18, 2022 19:54:09 GMT -8
I've switched to picaridan all the time. Just hate the slimy feeling of DEET. Haven't found the dropoff of effectiveness to outweigh the benefits of comfort, oily skin, & melting plastics to be worth it.
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Post by swiftdream on Jun 20, 2022 8:14:44 GMT -8
Found an interesting comment on the web. Many of you know what cedar gnats are but for those who don’t they are the national bird from hell and they come in droves and cover bare skin with hundreds of welts.
“Reporting back on picaridin as a cedar gnat repellent. It was mildly useful and only temporarily.”
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Post by bikehikefish on Jul 3, 2022 5:59:22 GMT -8
With Picaridan the concentration and delivery method matters. Consumer Reports tests found that the most effective was 20%, with the spray more effective than lotion or wipes. Picaradin with 5% solution was among the least effective repellants.
CR tests insect repellants by applying it to a tester's arm and putting the arm in a container full of mosquitos. Then they count how many times the person was bitten.
And I thought my job was bad.
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Post by geezinbutnotweezin on Jul 3, 2022 15:30:21 GMT -8
For ticks (what I'm most concerned about - I've had Lyme disease twice), I'd recommend Permethrin rather than Picaradin or DEET. It's the active ingredient in the Sawyer spray that you can buy to treat your clothes yourself and the ingredient within the service provided by Insect Shield. There are now several scientific studies of the efficacy of Permethrin, here's one academic.oup.com/jme/article/55/5/1217/4999656There is also a lot of anecdotal evidence of hikers being coated with DEET and still picking the deer ticks off of themselves at the end of the day. Note - Permethrin is to be applied to your clothing, not your skin.
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Post by trinity on Jul 4, 2022 6:34:42 GMT -8
On the subject of picaridin; in what form do y'all carry it when backpacking? For years I have carried the 0.5 oz spray bottles, one of these will last many trips. But I can't find those small bottles anymore, just the 3 oz bottles, which are pretty large to be taking on a backpacking trip. Thinking about trying to purchase some small refillable spray bottles. Has anyone tried this?
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Post by ErnieW on Jul 4, 2022 10:01:42 GMT -8
I use these for both Picaridin and. DEET. I do keep them in a ziplock just in case they leak but so far so good. It is a good amount for DEET but as per my earlier comment I have to keep reapplying Picaridin in the the hot weather so too small for that.
EDIT: Maybe to be clear. DEET appears to not melt any of the plastic in these spray bottles. At least the batch I got. Never know with Amazon and things like this what the next batch will be like.
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