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Post by cweston on Mar 23, 2022 7:28:08 GMT -8
Nice video, zeke. It almost seems too easy to be true.
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Post by zeke on Mar 23, 2022 8:31:57 GMT -8
cweston I just did that very same thing to my neoair yesterday, and it is holding air just fine this morning after sitting all night with #40 of weights on it. Indeed it seemed too easy, but I have heard about this method for about 5 years now.
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Post by jazzmom on Mar 23, 2022 9:16:01 GMT -8
I remember there being a LOT of talk on BPL about cutting down Neoairs a few years ago (OK, it may be closer to 10 years now...) One of the guys started a side business of re-sizing people's pads and then opened up a custom pad business, where you could specify the exact size and R-value (down-filled). Seemed like a great concept. The guy ended up having some sort of breakdown and sort of dropped out of sight, owing a lot of people money/pads. I think he was totally overwhelmed. You can buy heat sealable nylon -- I was considering making a hybrid pillow but the whole valve thing was more of a headache than it was worth.
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Post by BigLoad on Mar 23, 2022 10:42:13 GMT -8
I remember there being a LOT of talk on BPL about cutting down Neoairs a few years ago (OK, it may be closer to 10 years now...) Yeah, it might have been that long ago. The normal size fits me well, although a tad wider might keep my elbows off the ground.
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Post by Coolkat on Mar 24, 2022 3:59:35 GMT -8
Coolkat neo air in a Regular Wide (72 x 25) weighs 15 oz. R value of 4.2 zeke, well after your recommendation, some research, and talking to other friends I've pulled the trigger and ordered one. I should have it in time for my first hike of the season in 1.5 weeks. Well will see how things go. Last year I saved about 10oz when I changed up my cook system so the extra 1oz is not a big deal
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Post by cweston on Mar 24, 2022 4:52:56 GMT -8
zeke, well after your recommendation, some research, and talking to other friends I've pulled the trigger and ordered one. I should have it in time for my first hike of the season in 1.5 weeks. Well will see how things go. Last year I saved about 10oz when I changed up my cook system so the extra 1oz is not a big deal There's a pretty lively 2nd-hand market for these, so if you try it out and determine it's not for you, you'll likely be able to recoup a substantial percentage of your investment.
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Post by trinity on Mar 24, 2022 12:44:00 GMT -8
There's a pretty lively 2nd-hand market for these, so if you try it out and determine it's not for you, you'll likely be able to recoup a substantial percentage of your investment. Yep. My wife bought one a few years back, and just wasn't crazy about it. She listed it on Craigslist and recouped most of her money. But I'm guessing you'll love it, most do.
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 24, 2022 14:36:30 GMT -8
Uninsulated. I swear, if possible, to have a negative R-value. I find it works like a radiator. If there is nothing stopping the air inside of it from circulating then you have body heat driven convective heat pump. So I would also think you could call this a negative R factor A week after the mask mandates were lifted at my kids school one brought home a bad cold. We all got it. Anyway when I am this congested I snore big time so I set up our inflatable queen in the living room. We use it for car camping with a wool topper. I figured the living room only goes down to like 60F at night so I went with warm blanket and no topper underneath me. It was freezing. From the bottom.
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Post by rangewalker on Mar 25, 2022 7:33:07 GMT -8
If there is nothing stopping the air inside of it from circulating then you have a body heat-driven convective heat pump. So I would also think you could call this a negative R factor Exactly. I knew the physics of it when a child in "the 60s" when my parents made the boys sleep on those stinky lungs busting polyvinyl air mattresses. We froze our skinny butts off in those flannel sleeping bags. Except when on the road, the girls slept in the camper. Finally, we rebelled, and my father procured some GI poncho liners and we slept better on the ground.
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Post by ErnieW on Mar 25, 2022 8:44:37 GMT -8
Exactly. I knew the physics of it when a child in "the 60s" when my parents made the boys sleep on those stinky lungs busting polyvinyl air mattresses. I think we had rubber coated canvas ones when I was really little.. They didn't hold air all night and really stunk.
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Post by cweston on Mar 25, 2022 10:10:21 GMT -8
We were evicted from our hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake.
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Post by bobcat1 on Mar 26, 2022 0:10:53 GMT -8
Well, we lived in an old septic tank on a rubbish heap……
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 5:03:26 GMT -8
when my wife hiked with me, she'd use 2 pads, a thermarest inflatable, with a closed cell foam underneath. Of course - I carried the closed cell pad for her.
I've exclusively used Exped pads for the last several years. They do have a nice line of down filled ones.
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Post by ErnieW on Apr 2, 2022 6:35:42 GMT -8
when my wife hiked with me, she'd use 2 pads, a thermarest inflatable, with a closed cell foam underneath. Of course - I carried the closed cell pad for her. For a very long time I used a 3/4 Thermarest with a closed cell pad. Obviously the bulk and added weight were a factor but having the closed cell pad has advantages like something to sit on around camp without fear of puncture, a pad really smooths out the ground so I could keep the Thermarest softer, the system had a really good R and finally the pad can't get a hole and ensured me not sleeping on the ground made me really like that system.
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