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Post by hikerchick395 on Jan 23, 2022 9:21:57 GMT -8
I imagine the junction of the JMT and the trail to Ireland Lake will get even busier now, as far as camping. Personally, I vowed never to stay at the Tuolumne backpackers camp again. What a mess!
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Jan 23, 2022 15:23:02 GMT -8
I imagine the junction of the JMT and the trail to Ireland Lake will get even busier now, as far as camping. Personally, I vowed never to stay at the Tuolumne backpackers camp again. What a mess! I hadn’t thought of that. With 2-3 years of impact I wonder if this will be a deciding factor in the wilderness stewardship plan proposing a Little Yosemite Valley type zone and mandatory campground with lockers and composting toilets?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Feb 14, 2022 18:17:38 GMT -8
Got the “Congratulations!” Recreation dot gov email for my longer Yosemite route! First trailhead, first date of the submission; the other 27 turned out moot lol. They now request an itinerary with names of the zones off a list; here’s a map that shows them (it’s a tad buried imho) storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/90488fe678824aeaa98144161896b60a
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Post by thedude on Mar 29, 2022 6:39:09 GMT -8
I just received a wilderness lottery spot for Rafferty Creek in September. I am working on planning an itinerary. Anyone willing to give me some feedback on whether this seems like a good plan or whether there are any spots I am missing that I should check out? This will be my first wilderness hike but I am in very good shape and plan to be pretty conservative with my mileage each day. I will average ~8 miles per day with a long day of 12 miles. The area where I would like to do some exploring would be around Vogelsang lake and some of the other alpine lakes in the immediate area.
Day 1: hike from Rafferty Creek trailhead to Tenaya Lake area Camp somewhere near Tenaya Lake if possible
Day 2: hike from Tenaya Lake to Merced Lake Camp somewhere near Merced Lake
Day 3: hike from Merced Lake to Vogelsang or Fletcher Lake Camp somewhere near either lake
Day 4: hike through the lakes around this area Camp somewhere near Rafferty Creek before it connects with the JMT to avoid the thru hiking masses
Day 5: finish off the trip along the JMT and exit via the Rafferty Creek trailhead
I want to dial this in since the Recreation.gov website wants me to indicate where I will be camping each night, so if I cannot camp in any of these areas then it would be a help if you can steer me in the right direction as far as areas close to these spots where I could set up camp for the night.
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Post by zeke on Mar 29, 2022 7:08:36 GMT -8
Day 1. No camping anywhere close to Tenaya lake, as one cannot camp within a mile of any road and all of Tenaya is within that range. About 1 mile past Tenaya a creek crosses the trail and there are some places nearby (100 ft away).
Day 2. Merced Lake is a long day, and you must camp in the designated spots near the camp. Sometimes things can be purchased there, like an apple.
Day 3. If you liked Merced Camp atmosphere, stay at Vogelsang. If not, keep walking until you find something you like better.
Keep in mind that you must be 100 ft from the trail and any water source for your camp. No camping on the banks of a lake or stream.
Solo? No prior Backpacking experience? Merced to Vogelsang will test your conditioning as it has an unrelenting uphill slog for quite some ways.
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Post by thedude on Mar 29, 2022 7:33:02 GMT -8
Thank you very much for the feedback, and noted on the campsite being far enough from trails and water sources. My main goal is to check out the alpine lakes around Vogelsang, so with that in mind would it be a better idea to travel "clockwise" and hit Vogelsang first and then work my way over to Merced before hitting the Tenaya Lake ares? I want to avoid any absurdly difficult days with this being my first real backcountry hike.
Thanks again.
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Post by zeke on Mar 29, 2022 8:04:18 GMT -8
Clockwise would be better.
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Post by zeke on Mar 29, 2022 8:54:44 GMT -8
ETA: Tuolumne Meadows 8800 ft Tanaya Lake 8150 ft Merced lake 7200 Vogelsang 10150 Tuolumne Pass 10000 ft.
Personally, I'd rather walk down from V to M rather than up that 3000' Climb 1200 to the pass, then down to M. 1600 ft back up to T Meadows. That won't be all of the story, as some undulation is anticipated, but it is the general gist.
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 29, 2022 10:02:37 GMT -8
Clockwise, but more importantly I’d say go over Cathedral Pass rather than drop down to Tenaya from Sunrise which is all see-able from a car on the road. Just adding rather pointless miles otherwise paralleling Tioga Rd. Where you can’t overnight. Of the two drainages past the crest after Vogelsang I prefer Lewis as the more scenic gorge versus Fletcher. Bernice is a nice side trip www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wildpermits.htmand plan out how everything smellable will pack in your bear resistant canister. tbh if you put Tenaya Lake as your first night out from Rafferty I’m stunned they issued the reservation. Walking along the Tioga rd like that is outside the wilderness: you’re essentially entering at Sunrise th, so that’s a different permit. ETA: Entry from Tenaya is with a Sunrise wilderness permit. ETA2: if you’ll be going to the park much this is a great information source: www.rei.com/product/197239/wilderness-press-yosemite-national-park-your-complete-hiking-guide
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 29, 2022 18:31:42 GMT -8
Having thought about that “first wilderness hike” I’d suggest focusing on what you write you’re interested in: the alpine lakes around Vogelsang. Which neither Tenays nor Merced are remotely near. Plus you’ve, I’ll assume, got to get back to your car parked at your legal entry trailhead, Rafferty Creek. So maybe look at a map and some trail guides and consider this: enter at your wilderness permit entry: Rafferty Creek; head up the trail to Vogelsang then over Vogelsang Pass and down the Lewis Creek drainage with a stop at Bernice Lake (as that’s a side trail it gets few visiiors. If you get there early, dayhike around it). Continue downstream to the Fletcher Creek junction then take that upstream, visiting Emeric Lake. Continue on and back at the Vogelsang area keep going toward Lyell Canyon, with a side trip up to Ireland Lake for another alpine lake experience. Continue from there down to Lyell Canyon and the John Muir Trail and take that back to your trailhead and car. As to fitness: unless you live at 10,000 feet your lungs aren’t used to the lack of oxygen at alpine heights, add in a multi day packload and I’d suggest a couple of day hikes at elevation before you head out: Twenty Lakes basin just outside the park could be a good area. Btw: your proposed end to day 4? Also illegal. Here’s the park map showing the minimum trail distance in you have to be before camping overnight is legal (and the junction of the Rafferty Creek trail and the John Muir Trail most certainly is not) It’s where the colored lines end in the arrowheads. www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/upload/wildernesstrailheads.pdf
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Post by thedude on Mar 29, 2022 18:47:42 GMT -8
Thanks for the suggestions, this is great. I will update my itinerary and share soon.
Thanks again!
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 30, 2022 8:11:13 GMT -8
Thanks for the suggestions, this is great. I will update my itinerary and share soon. Thanks again! Awesome, that itinerary map I linked to above can help sort out the zone names. That’s a good month for that area, a bit cooler which helps for the effort. Fewer wildflowers though. I’ve yet to get to Ireland Lake myself, I’m often in a hurry that first days or last to get somewhere else, no doubt a mistake. Maybe I need to take my own advice this July and exit that way. 😎 storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/90488fe678824aeaa98144161896b60a
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Post by thedude on Mar 31, 2022 7:31:50 GMT -8
Alright, I ran into some issues with the Recreation.gov website yesterday but filed a ticket and the issue was resolved this morning. I have successfully set up my itinerary. For my first night I said I would camp at Boothe lake. It looks like the Vogelsang High Sierra camp area is not available based on that map so hopefully they will accept Boothe as my location as that looks fine on that map.
Thanks again for all your help. I am really looking forward to this trip and will plan to hike in the area at altitude for the two days prior to my trip. Where is the best place for me to badger this community with questions, should I set up a brand new thread?
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Post by High Sierra Fan on Mar 31, 2022 7:58:17 GMT -8
A new thread would work, having a title that will catch people’s interest versus this “old” one.
Since the itinerary is flexible, within following wilderness regulations you’re free to look around if Boothe doesn’t suit.
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