ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Nov 16, 2021 14:55:52 GMT -8
A big +1 on this hat. I have an older version and love it.
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reuben
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Post by reuben on Nov 16, 2021 16:01:19 GMT -8
I have a similar hat I bought in Bolivia, where they're known as a chullo. They're also prevalent in Peru and northern Chile (desert region). No, it doesn't have Goretex, and it doesn't have Windstopper fabric, but it works pretty darn good.
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Post by trinity on Nov 16, 2021 17:47:00 GMT -8
For what you are describing, I think there is pretty good consensus here that a lightweight fleece is the way to go. If your primary concern is weight, I think the Kuiu Peleton 97 Hoodie will be a great choice. If you're willing to carry a little more weight, I think the R1 Hoodie recommended by jazzmom or the Alpha Flux recommended by drilldaddyo will be great options. I have a 100 weight fleece hoodie that Mountain Hardware used to make, with a full zip and handwarmer pockets. It is an extremely versatile layering piece.
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Post by BigLoad on Nov 17, 2021 23:46:33 GMT -8
If I'm understanding correctly, you have an outer puffy layer (presumably windproof) and some sort of baselayer (which I'm assuming is relatively thin), and you're still cold, so looking to add a layer in between ("mid-layer"). Is that right? If that's the case, it would be a breathable fleece layer for me, possibly hooded. Among the pieces I have, it would be my R1 hoodie. The R1 hoodie is one of my favorite layers. It goes on every trip.
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Post by stevet on Nov 19, 2021 13:40:13 GMT -8
If I'm understanding correctly, you have an outer puffy layer (presumably windproof) and some sort of baselayer (which I'm assuming is relatively thin), and you're still cold, so looking to add a layer in between ("mid-layer"). Is that right? If that's the case, it would be a breathable fleece layer for me, possibly hooded. Among the pieces I have, it would be my R1 hoodie. The R1 hoodie is one of my favorite layers. It goes on every trip. Ditto the R1 Hoodie. Not cheap but the most versatile of my midlayers.
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ErnieW
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Post by ErnieW on Nov 19, 2021 15:34:20 GMT -8
Ditto the R1 Hoodie. Not cheap but the most versatile of my midlayers. I think they may be being hit by supply chain issues. I was looking into the R1 and they are not available in most sizes, particularly my size. Only S ans XS mostly.
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Post by daveg on Nov 19, 2021 19:07:19 GMT -8
I have a R1 (without hood) and it's my go to midlayer as long as the temps are not too cool. When the temps or wind chills start approaching freezing, the R1 doesn't keep me warm enough. Then I wear my MH Monkey Man fleece jacket (the original) which is considerably warmer and heavier. The second iteration of the Monkey Man fleece (now discontinued) was lighter but reportedly not as warm. The current equivalent appears to be the MH Polartec High Loft jacket. The Patagonia R2 appears to be similar but from the reviews I've read, not quite as warm. Outdoor Gear Lab review.
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jazzmom
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Post by jazzmom on Nov 20, 2021 7:37:15 GMT -8
I'm not much of a winter backpacker but I live in Michigan, so do go outside in winter - hike, ski, etc. But, honestly, if I'm wearing a baselayer + R1 + puffy while doing something active and I'm still cold? That means I should be inside with a good book. :D
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Post by driftwoody on Nov 20, 2021 15:21:21 GMT -8
I do my local day hikes in the winter, sometimes down to single digits. I've never needed more that a long sleeve merino baselayer, a midweight fleece half zip shirt, a fleece vest, and a shell jacket (hat & gloves too, of course). After I get going I have to start venting to avoid perspiration.
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Post by catonsvillebill on Nov 20, 2021 17:57:26 GMT -8
I tried to buy it yesterday and got the same message. I wonder how long that will last. I am also leery of getting anything down. Won't that absorb perspiration?
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daveg
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Post by daveg on Nov 21, 2021 20:13:03 GMT -8
But, honestly, if I'm wearing a baselayer + R1 + puffy while doing something active and I'm still cold? That means I should be inside with a good book. :D I'm getting close to that point. I am also leery of getting anything down. Won't that absorb perspiration? I wouldn't wear down right next to my baselayer while hiking. Yes, the down can absorb perspiration, although a small amount probably wouldn't affect the insulating properties that much. Water-resistant down would be even less affected. But more than that, a down layer is not going to wick your sweat away from your body very well, trapping the moisture inside. On the other hand, a good fleece (or other wicking midlayer) will wick moisture out from your baselayer and, with proper venting, dissipate a lot of it. So a down puffy over a fleece midlayer is less problemmatic because significantly less moisture reaches the down layer.
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Post by hikerjer on Nov 24, 2021 20:35:45 GMT -8
This wokrs for me in temperatures down to 0 and perhaps somewhat colder.
Feet - single pair of heavy wool socks
Waist and below/legs - midweight Patagonia Capilene bottoms
Torso - Midweight Icebreaker merino wool top or midweight Capilene top (the Icebreaker seems a bit warmer, I think)
I augment these with Eddie Bauer three season synthetic pants (I alternate between a midweight pair and a heavier pair), midweight fleece zip top (various brands), Mountain Hardware down puffy with hood or heavy EMS down parka with hood, depending on temps, a Patagonia Torrent rainshell or MH gore-tex mountain parka depending on season and tempts.
Wool blend baeball hat, wool stocking hat (fleece balaclava always in pack in the winter)
This seems to keep me warm in almost all conditions as long as I can stay dry. But try as I may to regulate my body temperature (be bold, start cold, blah, blah, balh), I still often get damp from sweat and then get somewhat chilled. I always carry a dry exra midlayer, even on short day trips. Same goes for socks.
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Post by downriver on Nov 25, 2021 18:16:05 GMT -8
Okay, Catonsvillebill, If your not warm after getting the OR hat, R1 fleece, and hooded puffy it’s time for you to go “old school” with Cal...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 16:39:32 GMT -8
Okay, Catonsvillebill, If your not warm after getting the OR hat, R1 fleece, and hooded puffy it’s time for you to go “old school” with Cal...
I remember this book well!! Actually great reading even today, the gear has changed, but the principles never do. Now I gotta go find my copy....
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